Jedi Archive
Thread: The Jedi are United A message for all that can make a difference
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Angamarth
Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:15 am
#41
therealrosh wrote:
Zemon wrote:
agkBenny wrote:
this game is so messed up, just for one second could you imagine how good this game would be if theyd listen to the players? wed had pre cu back, omg that was so fun, wed have frs back(omg so fun), wed have pearls back (omg so needed). i can keep the list going on for pages upon pages..its sad. Who do you think pays for there meals? who pays there rent? there car insurance? WE DO LISTEN TO US DEVS SHEESH.
The only qustion for your question is; Which players should they listen too? They can't please everyone, nor can they make that many drastic changes. We, the players, need to remember we are but a small voice. We are only customers. As long as they have customers, the product will live on, regardless of what anyone says. Since the product is still available, someone likes it. They (the ones still playing)are being herd.
I do get fustrated with some of the changes, sometimes outraged. But, for the most part, I still enjoy playing. It's the first "P" in PvE and PvP that keeps me here. I would not stay if it was just MvE (Me vs. E).
The answer to this question is ALL OF THEM. they dont have to agree with them all, but they should listen to them all.
everyone, from the guy who just bought Total Experience, to the those of you who were in the beta are all Paying Customers, and all have the right to be heard as paying customers.
Instead, they are not acknoledging listening to any of them.
Yes, but as soon as they make their decision about which players to agree with, the rest immediately start yelling at the top of their lungs that they aren't listened to. So, the situation doesn't change because when most of the people here say, "SOE doesn't lsiten to us," they really mean "SOE didn't do exactly what I want done," heedless of the fact that 90% of the stuff people post 'should be done' is just ways to make their own template uber or nerf someone else that can do something they can't.
Fugitron
Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:23 am
#42
Angamarth wrote:
Yes, but as soon as they make their decision about which players to agree with, the rest immediately start yelling at the top of their lungs that they aren't listened to. So, the situation doesn't change because when most of the people here say, "SOE doesn't lsiten to us," they really mean "SOE didn't do exactly what I want done," heedless of the fact that 90% of the stuff people post 'should be done' is just ways to make their own template uber or nerf someone else that can do something they can't.
SOE made a promise that they would not do anything that would negatively effect someone's gameplay experience. The snare change in itself is not isolated to just jedi. There is a want, and in my opinion, a need to revert back to the old way debuffs were used.
JFragment
Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:33 am
#43
Well said. I just hope SOE as a whole is getting the picture of what is going on, because somewhere in the back of my mind I'm just picturing them sitting around drinking spressO and laughing and having a good time not giving a dam about what we think.
Fugitron
Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:50 am
#44
JFragment wrote:
Well said. I just hope SOE as a whole is getting the picture of what is going on, because somewhere in the back of my mind I'm just picturing them sitting around drinking spressO and laughing and having a good time not giving a dam about what we think.
I doubt they are intentionally ignoring us, but I do think they do not realize that the choicesthey made (as in not requested by the majority of the player base) are unneeded and unwanted.
Fugitron
Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:33 pm
#45
There has got to me more constructive posts than this? 
Don't be scared people!
Don't be scared people!
Vaashtkk
Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:06 pm
#46
Early in the game, melee was king. They were not only the best tanks, they were the most effective damage dealers.
The pendulum has now swung completely the opposite way. Tanks aren't needed because Riflemen can kite anything lacking a ranged attack. CMs and Riflemen can cut a Master Enhancers movement to walking speed with no counter-move. The Master Defender tanking skill has been made useless.
We need to find a middle ground here. What is the role of the melee classes post pub24?
lemonysnickets
Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:26 pm
#47
If they listened to these "players" you speak of, there would only be jedi. BH's wouldn't stand a chance, elite professions would be "fs grinders" and anything else would be a part time alt. It is dangerously near that point right now. That's a fate far worse than anything they have done with pub 24.
You can't please everyone and amongst all the gimme cries the real problems often get drowned out in the noise.
This game needs "Team Leads", one representative from each profession in the game who's job is to listen, test and report issues pertaining to that one profession which are then reported to the devs on a schedule.
Furgitron wrote:
Take for example the movement debuff change. Yes you explained what that whole thing entales, but the underlying theme when I personally read all the explanation for it was.... why? Where did you as the Devs get the idea to make a ranged profession with root and combat medic able to kite ANY melee player without fear of even getting hit?
These changes only effect me in one way and one way only. My bag has a new "drink" in it that negates any of the things mentioned above rather well.
Fugitron
Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:44 pm
#48
Vaashtkk wrote:
Early in the game, melee was king. They were not only the best tanks, they were the most effective damage dealers.
The pendulum has now swung completely the opposite way. Tanks aren't needed because Riflemen can kite anything lacking a ranged attack. CMs and Riflemen can cut a Master Enhancers movement to walking speed with no counter-move. The Master Defender tanking skill has been made useless.
We need to find a middle ground here. What is the role of the melee classes post pub24?
Yes, but even pre-CU Riflemen combat medics were DEADLY. Point is now that we are in the CU this shouldn't be like this at all. Now yes, there are some work around given rancor aid for combat medic snares, but for something that "isn't based on stacking buffs or food" this is getting back to alot of key pre-cu fundamentals.
Isendre
Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:54 am
#51
Fugitron wrote:
This was something GarVa posted earlier:
GarVa wrote:
Some people are pming me and replying that the comment about stepping away from the computer for a few minutes to calm down is something that is inappropriate and would not be done in a face to face retail confrontation.
This is not really a valid argument, because in the "real world" if someone came up to you as an employee and got in your face and started yelling at you and telling you that you sucked, etc, they would simply call security and have you escorted out. We are not trying to silence your thoughts or even dismiss your fustrations, just trying to minimize the anger and rage on the boards.
We are not employees. We are customers, as such there is a certain extent where you as the employees have to grit and bear it. There is a line, but unless the Devs THEMSELVES come out from their veil of privacy and actually answer some of our most desired questions (whether it be planning, rationale, or timelines) people will just be assuming they do NOT care nor take our concerns as jedi to heart.
What's REALLY funny is that I just sent a pm to GarVa voicing my disapproval about his comments and he replied saying that he's received over 200 pm's stating approval of his comments and that I'm the first to complain!!!
Talk about blatent arrogance!!!
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