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Townnut

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:23 am

Just a question that I have about cloak. Can a BH track you while your using cloak? And then if he tracks to where you are, could the BH do /target(players name) and then attack them?

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koldbones

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:31 am

#41

iriemon wrote:
I choose not to hide which is why im goin master sabers----i want to cut my enemy down QUICKLY and with POWER. If u can get /targeted with cloak on it seems useless to me.

alot of people havent figured out that if you are cloaked and you getattacked do not attack back, uncheck your auto attack and do not use kd recovery(considered a combat move). I had 10 jedi on me lastnight, made a stupid mistake and had a pet left out that was killed but came back and followed up and sat behind me lol. Was KD'd but didnt recover, jsut layed there and healed and typed stand till I was able to then I FR2 out of there. If you have trouble with CM just get some ith mist and heal, healing will not break cloak and the mist will most of the timeput the fire out.

My temp is master saber heal 4000 enhancer 4004 defender 0040 and powers 0400 and I love it. No Iam not a massive tank but I can do quick strikes, can bein andout before htey know it, takeing there CM out in no time. FR out cloak and rinse and repeat.

You saying move it to master to stop people from dabbling and there was a referance to FR3 (which nobody in there right mind wants) why not put chanell and supression in master also, since 90 percent of people only take enhancer for chanell FR or supression. Your argument isnt valid and is just another example of jedi being jealouse of other jedi.

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crickey2015

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:34 am

#42

Maybe someone who was 4444 guardian back in the day can understand this...

i unlocked back feb 18th pre-pub 9 ... was 4222 knight .. 2-3 of my friends had unlocked months before me and got the 4444 guardian ...

powers were fun. ... but in the end when a bh came for anyone .. it was saber time .. the only time ever force throw was used was on lairs for bonus xp ... lighting replaced throw as it costed less force for the same effect. no choke ... no animal controll .. there was mindblast but was expensive ... hehe mindblast + forcekd to dizzy/kd ranged .. but now .. /shrug .. dps is just too low even if they do lower power consumption by 50%.

I belive choke was tested by the 1st Jedi corr as he was originally the only one allowed to train master jedi box in that old tier system.. it was disgustingly ovepowered ... root + heavy dot dammage ... remeber when elders used to use it on us? .. pretty much the same .. only add in the root and not being able to attack ... now i'd guess it would be stasis with a dot.

well .. after the jedi revamp i looked at powers.. wanted to have them but saw how marginal it was.. fotm as we all remeber was: mls/menh/4004 healer ... alot of it was required .. state healing .. med ... fr3 and 1 .. speed not as much ..forcearmor was a staple ...states helped .. and once ranked was immensly helpfull .. my server had maybe 2 mpowers .. few lighitng 3 freaks and 1 lighting 4 freak .. that was it as far as powers goes because in the end ... when you want to be sucessfull in the frs/pvp ... you must have a template you can survive wiht and escape.

Cloak is nice ... there are great applications but it's hamstrung by situations.

#1 you must have fr3 ... fr 1 and 2 are not good enough to depend on to put the distance required by cloak ... by time you do distance your trackers you will have various npc/creatures keeping you from cloaking .. one night a player in the guild of one ofthe participants of pvp jumped on his jetpack and /followed me arround so i coudn't cloak .. i had no way of putting the distance needed to cloak. *note he was covert and knew he could keep me from cloaking by doing it .. he kept on taunting and teasing as he knew i'd be ganked shortly and nothing i could do to escape*

cloak at most reliably useable as a first strike ability .. but note: the high power consumption as you move into position gives an advantage to the other jedi as you will start out fighting wiht less force.

mpowers is a glass cannon .. that cloak as mentioned lets you move into possions and try hurt your target.. The best application i could come up with was last night in coronet... Now i know you can't buy a ticket while under cloak but i do know you can use the ship terminal while under cloak to escape/shuttle and be cloaked. I used this to recon starports heavily used by rebels .. once i found 1 alone i'd relay the info to a friend .. i'd move into position using channel to try keep my power bar full .. when my friend arrived as usuall the overt moved in for the loadgank ... if he din't and had distance and my friend had achance to move and engage i watied for the rebel to engage .. now is when i struck... sabertrhow . ab choke .. root ... lighitng .. ect ect.. as this happens fast enough my friend has time to use his power hammer and do the real dammage .. all i end up doing is diverting the target's attention and softening him up a little at best.

any jedi with 4004 enh will be sucesfull at keeping you from escaping .. especially one that has master enh .. root... snare.. stasis .. all these will keep you within range and not able to cloak.

lighitng .. now this is interesting .. before the cu in the frs .. this was a killer if you were a fightclubber .. plain and simple .. on our server the overlord had it ... lighitng single 2 .. 2 hits killed the rebel chancelor ... something like 3500 per hit even after force shield and reflect he incapped.. most the council retemplated to mls 4401 enh 3000 powers just for the lighitng single 2 hit...

now with the way powers tree is setup it's all or nothing .. max dammage is afforded only to master powers .. only guess that in the frs they will be disgusting but with no viable ranking up method we won't see the results anytime in the next year at best..

choke .. armor being ignored will be big .. needs the root it is supposed to have.. weaken needs it's snare fixed .. intimidate needs to reduce dammage more...

before put 9 some powers were usefull but marginally at best... post 9 unless you were high ranked only power that gobonuses of any kind was lighitng... enhancer then got all the marbles.. If lighitng is this powerfull in the frs in the future maybe some of it's power needs to be removed and be redistributed into the tree just as the oppsite was done for saber block.

my 2 cents

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WookieOgre

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:04 pm

#43

mohtz1 wrote:

WookieOgre wrote:

I don't think there is anything wrong with Cloak being located in the Powers tree, however, I will bring make a pointto show it doesn't even need to be in the tree everytime a Master Powers player says they should get all the good specials in the Master Box.

Only reason at this time I don't have a problem with Cloak in the Powers is because it's gimped. IF that tree ever becomes equal in offense to MLS, we are going to have issues though. If that was to ever happen I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for anyone with MLS to ask to have a new ability equal to Cloak. Dark vs Light, doesn't matter. What matters is MLS and MPowers are supposed to be our offenses therefore they should be pretty equal in what they give a player. Right now both are broken, we can only hope when Element damage comes in and Force Costs are reduced (for powers), we'll have viable offenses for the first time.

(just to be clear though, I will be out there stating the case for balance if Master Powers = MLS in offense because Powers does not need VERY expensive loot items atmto get that damage and Cloak is a huge factor in overall power)

there is no equal to being able to cloud yourself in the force.. asking for balance for sabers is a joke.. cloak is designed to be a power the enables jedi to get the upper hand, not get away.. it is being used as a defense instead of a offense by some, not all.. first strike attacks can help in winning the battle..

This is my point. What is powers supposed to be......I keep hearing Master Powers players saying it should be as viable as MLS. If that was to ever happen (meaning offensively damage output to force cost) then MLS would clearly need something as good as cloak. Right now MLS and Powers (if everything worked) seem to be set up to be clones of each other. Both have a DoT, Both can target parts of the body, both are supposed to be able to inflict states, both have area attacks, both have a defense mod (ls are block and powers is intimidate), both are gimped (lol)......I'm thinking the way the devs are designing Powers in the CURB it's supposed to be a true offense compareable to sabers.

Cloak can be used for defense and offense of your choosing. If Powers was to be put on par with MLS there is no doubt MLS would need something more to counter the added ability that cloak gives its user.

bukarok

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:06 pm

#44

dont rangers get a skill like this with camo kits? or am i just stupid lol

Skwall

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:09 pm

#45

I'll regret not having Master enhancer + Sap. That will be the new "I win" button.

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mohtz1

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:09 pm

#46

well to tell the truth, powers should be a dark jedi bonus, and enhancer should be a light jedi bonus.

meaning, every jedi would have some healer, master sabers, some defender.. then when they join the frs they get the powers or enhancer skills.. i didnt see sidious using stasis on anyone, but i did see him lightening himself to ugly..opps.. bad aim.. needs to improve his force accuracy..

anyway.. it was just a thought.. i remember the days when there were jedi padawans, then we became knights through grinding our skills, i went dark, some went light.. some skills were granted earlier in light then in dark but dark had more force pool..

we should be cookie cutter, but we are.. powers needs to be uppedon damage, but so does lightsaber..i dont think powers should equal saber at close range, but i should be able to keep a saber person at bay with my powers.. just like he should own me if he got close enough to slice and dice me..

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Bongzai

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:10 pm

#47

bukarok wrote:

dont rangers get a skill like this with camo kits? or am i just stupid lol

dunno about rangers, but riflmen can "cover" similar effect to cloak but have to be prone...

but i cant see either going up the FRS can u

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Yny

Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:18 pm

#48

NemKhis wrote:

Andretti wrote:

What template are you all running with MPowers? MDef and 0404 sabers?

Just curious. I havent logged my jedi in over two weeks....if it works the way it is SUPPOSE to, I will log in and pick my final template. I have been considering the above template, but not decided yet. If the above template is not what you are running, what is your templates? I will not dabble. I want to have dual mastery, and MDefender is one, MPowers could be the second, but then I'm assuming that about the best after that to take is part of the saber tree.

Thanks for any opinions or suggestions.

Andretti

I am master powers, and I would say dabble the rest of your skills for saber/heal/enhance however...if you want a double mastery, I would choose Mpowers/Menhancer/4040 healer....more effective.

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mohtz1

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:05 am

#49

WookieOgre wrote:

If anything Cloak shouldn't even be in the POWERS professions at ALL. Powers is supposed to be our Ranged offense so shouldn't Cloak be in Defender or Enhancer? I mean I don't see LS with some awesome ability equal to Cloak, do you?

So those that are Master Powers be thankful the skill is even in this profession. The devs could one day trip and hit their head on the tolitand remember Powers should be a viable alternative to MLS, not some force cloaking goon.

umm with your thinking then.. sap, stasis and other skills that attack at ranged shouldnt be where they are now..

enhancer should be about enhanceing oneself.. healing about healing oneself.. nothing about attacking an foe is listed there but yet they both have pretty good attacks..

drain should be in powers as well.. so before we start to remove one item from powers because it doesnt fit, think about how screwed up all the jedi skills are...

i think they invisioned cloak and powers being used by dark jedi, and dark jedi could cloak themselves from being seen or felt by light side jedi.. but that would mean we should go back to the days of dark jedi and light jedi before pub 9..

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drmidnight

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:22 am

#50

Right now I'm MLS/4x4x Defender/X4XX Powers/4XXX Healer/XXX4 Enhancer and I do just fine... I've had my fair share of problems w/ cloak being exploited (/target, CM DoTs, people chasing you with area attacks while they PvP each other, etc)... to escape the scene of the crime I just pop a parwan and run like hell and /forceCloak.

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WookieOgre

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:31 am

#51

mohtz1 wrote:

WookieOgre wrote:

If anything Cloak shouldn't even be in the POWERS professions at ALL. Powers is supposed to be our Ranged offense so shouldn't Cloak be in Defender or Enhancer? I mean I don't see LS with some awesome ability equal to Cloak, do you?

So those that are Master Powers be thankful the skill is even in this profession. The devs could one day trip and hit their head on the tolitand remember Powers should be a viable alternative to MLS, not some force cloaking goon.

umm with your thinking then.. sap, stasis and other skills that attack at ranged shouldnt be where they are now..

enhancer should be about enhanceing oneself.. healing about healing oneself.. nothing about attacking an foe is listed there but yet they both have pretty good attacks..

drain should be in powers as well.. so before we start to remove one item from powers because it doesnt fit, think about how screwed up all the jedi skills are...

i think they invisioned cloak and powers being used by dark jedi, and dark jedi could cloak themselves from being seen or felt by light side jedi.. but that would mean we should go back to the days of dark jedi and light jedi before pub 9..

I don't think there is anything wrong with Cloak being located in the Powers tree, however, I will bring make a pointto show it doesn't even need to be in the tree everytime a Master Powers player says they should get all the good specials in the Master Box.

Only reason at this time I don't have a problem with Cloak in the Powers is because it's gimped. IF that tree ever becomes equal in offense to MLS, we are going to have issues though. If that was to ever happen I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for anyone with MLS to ask to have a new ability equal to Cloak. Dark vs Light, doesn't matter. What matters is MLS and MPowers are supposed to be our offenses therefore they should be pretty equal in what they give a player. Right now both are broken, we can only hope when Element damage comes in and Force Costs are reduced (for powers), we'll have viable offenses for the first time.

(just to be clear though, I will be out there stating the case for balance if Master Powers = MLS in offense because Powers does not need VERY expensive loot items atmto get that damage and Cloak is a huge factor in overall power)

Bongzai

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:38 am

#52

Master Powers and Proud!

tbh the only real benefit of master is accuracy, i dont miss in pvp or pve.. as for cloak well, while the best defensive trick there is going id gladly see it moved to master, i would have thought it would have been harder or require more skill to "disapear" than force chock someone but hey, i have em all so im happy

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