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Thread: Rancor Aid = Slap in Face
technically it should be in the "IN CONCEPT" forum...but they don't even follow their own published development life cycle protocol.
AlariFairlyn wrote:
/agree.
Why not just put in food/drink with Armour Break cures, Choke cures, Sap cures... or have I just predicted the next 'In Testing' post?
Message Edited by AlariFairlyn on 10-14-2005 07:34 PM
Psy1ocke wrote:
trajen2 wrote:
XenosAllus wrote:
He was saying EDrain, jedi RA's, concussion, etc, etc.
Repeat until the jedi is full, then EDrain again.....
To which you replied that isn't his concern.
-Xenos Allus
reports i am hearing state that it isnt that big of a deal. I dont know how long you've been around but this is always the case...the "nerfs" are never as bad as they seem.
Oh and Electrolyte Drain has a 5m range. In order to apply it, the CM must be within 5m . . as he is coming up to apply it, hit him with a suppression, stasis, forcewave.
Message Edited by trajen2 on 10-14-2005 10:44 AM
Actually, CM debuffs are 10m range, not 5m. Although, still within suppression/stasis/force wave range. =)
Or just clobber him - sometimes you don't want to be in melee range with a Jedi opponent...
Oh btw, I don't know if Conc Shot would be effective, never tested it as it wasn't neccesary.
I took acception that he was told not to be concerned about game mechanic changes that effect everyone.
-Xenos Allus
battosai20 wrote:
Calel_Haven wrote:I can see my solution and tactic is going to be very simple. Rancor Aid / Root BH / FR2 / Pull Bike (or cloak) and run.
I'm now goona refuse to fight ANY BH. Untill they get the nerf they deserve, I dont see why I should risk the XP loss like I used to. I used to stand and fight, now, out of pure principle, I'm gonna make escape and evasion my ONLY priority.
What are they going to nerf? We don't have any special abilities, our KD sucks, and the bleeds from Torso shot are a joke. So please direct your nerf talk somewhere else like CM, because I am sure that's who you are complaining about. I am glad you have decided to join the Jedi Track Team.
You complain about 2 skills that suck as justification for this man to stand and fight you? Here's the quick answer BH fighting = rewards.... Jedi fighting = losses or delayed losses. Another point CM=BH KTHXBYE.
Calel_Haven wrote:
I can see my solution and tactic is going to be very simple. Rancor Aid/Root BH / FR2 / Pull Bike (or cloak) and run.
I'm now goona refuse to fight ANY BH. Untill they get the nerf they deserve, I dont see why I should risk the XP loss like I used to. I used to stand and fight, now, out of pure principle, I'm gonna make escape and evasion my ONLY priority.
IF you can manage this. There is still the root/snare attacks from the carbineer/BH lines to contend with, and with snare now negating FR rather than slowing it, there is an amazing "first 20 strike capability". (The first strike, theh the entire time that the root is on, then the entire time with a snare trying to catch a BH who has a terrain negotiation and 80m range to our few32m attacks)
Who said i can't defend myself. Attacking me personally because you ran off at the mouth without knowing what your talking about and trying to call me a noob is laughable. But I did find it interesting that you are gonna simultaneously keep them away from you so they can't paralyze or snare you but at the same time you are gonna do so much damage to them that they will be constantly healing. Please post pics of your lightsaber rifle Einstein I am intrigued.
trajen2 wrote:
Xull_2004 wrote:
lol yeah right so then we are trying to stay close to him again....but wait geez we are within 5 meters again your theory doesn't hold water dude.
if you keep him healing, KD recovery, etc, he wont have time to ED you. . .
You know what else i would like to know? All of you, Xull especially, if you do not have the tools necessary to defend against BHs, why do you have vis?
Thanks, but I have been playing since launch, am indeed full temp with no current problems with BH and actually do have access to ToOW and have done testing with the changes there personally.
And you are trolling.
"Keep them healing so they cannot EDrain"
This is honestly showing a lack of understanding of game mechanics. With the changes in place only a fool of a MCM would apply dots, and in the situation described above they (and I, when I tried this temp) simply paralyze you andsnare. There, paralyze takes the place of a heal, if they have time to heal they have time to paralyze, hence keeping them busy healing is not a strategy.
That people would consider RA a solution to the problem, and that "your understanding" that it is not a major conern does not hold water.
The temp I have been testing is MCM/MBH/Carbs 0-4-0-0. With it I have no problem keeping them busy, even with 6 minutes of pure rancor aid with them using no other drinks (which by the way makes them an even easier target) I have KDs and crippling to keep them busy, EDrain isn't even strictly neccesary, it just makes it laughably easy.
Test some things yourself, if not don't tell other people not to be concerned.
-Xenos Allus
Calel_Haven wrote:
I can see my solution and tactic is going to be very simple. Rancor Aid/Root BH / FR2 / Pull Bike (or cloak) and run.
I'm now goona refuse to fight ANY BH. Untill they get the nerf they deserve, I dont see why I should risk the XP loss like I used to. I used to stand and fight, now, out of pure principle, I'm gonna make escape and evasion my ONLY priority.
Try it yourself or go read the 5 page thread I already have going on the subject, it is a major problem.
That is not only for jedi but for a majority of the players, normal melee professions are in much more trouble with these changes then jedi. It is very possible to kill them without taking a single hit.
....but of course I am just whining, nice to have that one fixed then *whew* 
-Xenos Allus
AlariFairlyn wrote:
I just like the amusing play on words, what with the electrolyte replenishing qualities of Gator Aid (or however you spell it, I'm not from the US!).
Actually, if you are really paranoid, the whole "Rancor Aid" name is a piss-take. Rancor is an English word meaning "deep-seated ill-will", so perhaps the Dev's view the Jedi community as "racorous", henceRancor,and the are giving us some token help or "Aid".
trajen2 wrote:
XenosAllus wrote:
He was saying EDrain, jedi RA's, concussion, etc, etc.
Repeat until the jedi is full, then EDrain again.....
To which you replied that isn't his concern.
-Xenos Allus
reports i am hearing state that it isnt that big of a deal. I dont know how long you've been around but this is always the case...the "nerfs" are never as bad as they seem.
Oh and Electrolyte Drain has a 5m range. In order to apply it, the CM must be within 5m . . as he is coming up to apply it, hit him with a suppression, stasis, forcewave.
Message Edited by trajen2 on 10-14-2005 10:44 AM