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Thread: Exploits (Needs dev response or our correspondent)

Orthell
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:20 pm
#40



Ibacca wrote:

"Just another one to make sure they are aware of, not sure how it's done. But they can crash a client just before charging a Jedi. This is happening WAY too often on known stable clients at JUST the right moment, only to come back a corpse. It ALMOST happened to me, but thankfully I cloaked just before he got there. It is NOT a coincidence, and others have hinted about knowing how to do it.

The other two major ones I know the DEVS are well aware of, but please make sure they know this client crash exploit."

is this an exploit, I just lost to a BH because my character locked up for about 15 seconds, and ofcourse once it un locks im a corpse. I thought this was weird, as my comp never locks up like that. If this is an exploit, its a serious and gamebreaking one!

Ibacca

Message Edited by Ibacca on 09-23-2005 05:38 AM





If your computer is stable most of the time and suddenly you lagged and went LD just as he attacked, then I would say YES, you just got LD exploited and killed. Same story numerous times everywhere.







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Quiet420
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:20 pm
#41


docs and cm's each have multiple heals....on seperate cooldowns...that's how they heal so fast...and it's not an exploit...Jedi are limited in that we only have one real heal....a master heal has two, each with a seperate cooldown, but total heal is not viable.
Orthell
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:21 pm
#42



master_finesse wrote:


Orthell wrote:

Argonithe wrote:
can some1 send me a PM with this exploit ? i want to test mostly to see if its beeing used against me.





Which exploit? The timer one is EASY to identify. Put your combat log into detailed (forgot what it's called) and if you see a special spamming faster than it should then you know.

And example, I tested that I could spam bacta shot every 1-2 seconds, usually 2. I found I could spam headshot and adv critical or torso shot every 1-3 seconds untill my action wore out, now this was with a rifle.

With carefull timing and maybe a macro and some speed capped weapons, I imagine 1-2 second spamming of the heaviest shots is easily possible.

I won't post or PM the method used, but I have had them all used against me.

The only one I don't understand is the crashing one, but I have some ideas on how it's done.

EDIT--- I don't use these to exploit in any way, I just did it to test the severity of the problem, and it's pretty severe IMHO.

Message Edited by Orthell on 05-26-2004 01:11 AM


This seems to be working as intended. You use up your action as you fire off more specials. The same goes with healing eff. The combat timers is meaningless to me as well because in many cases lag makes it look like more attacks are stacked than possible.

Now with the defensive system being the exact opposite of what SOE posted I can see the potential for issues here as well but I probably need to run a few tests. I'm thinking about reverse engineering the SOE combat formulas anyways. Maybe I will look at some of this as well.






No, for a fact it's been reported as an exploit and is NOT working as intended. You aren't supposed to convert a 6 second cooldown into 1 second and spam the same exact special.







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Heekae
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:23 pm
#43






goldragon76 wrote:
i went a little far with the last line i agree, im just tired of the bickering and outright rudeness from our own community. i didnt say you were ebayed. i said if you dont remember the pains of being exploited while grinding you were ebayed. i agree that the bh/jedi system will never be turned off, but i also agree that something needs to change to keep the game dynamic at least slightly fair. the fact that post-cu jedi that doesnt have the millions upon millions of credits cant even get a saber half my dps is just completely wrong. add to that the fact that bh's are now exploiting things to hit harder/heal faster and you have a very dynamic situation that could potentially destroy what is left of this game.







Yes, I do remember the pains of being exploited while grinding but what makes a difference is: I didn't make a whining post on the forums because i got exploited, It's simple /report and send a ticket to a csr and grind your xp. Making another whining thread on the forums only causes nerfs and flames instead by doing /report and sending a ticket could get the exploiter banned, warned or suspended, etc...







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Quiet420
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:24 pm
#44

correct, didn't factor in stims because everyone has em....the bliel issue has been present since the cu...instead of reducing timers, it immediatly allows you to heal again....I believe it has entered the realm of "undocumented functionality"
Orthell
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:26 pm
#45



Quiet420 wrote:
docs and cm's each have multiple heals....on seperate cooldowns...that's how they heal so fast...and it's not an exploit...Jedi are limited in that we only have one real heal....a master heal has two, each with a seperate cooldown, but total heal is not viable.





Yes, there is that method and exploited method of healing, that is the issue. You shouldn't be able to spam the EXACT same heal every 1-3 seconds. With perfect timing or macro, it can be EVERY second, and this isn't lag.







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goldragon76
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:27 pm
#46






Heekae wrote:






goldragon76 wrote:
i went a little far with the last line i agree, im just tired of the bickering and outright rudeness from our own community. i didnt say you were ebayed. i said if you dont remember the pains of being exploited while grinding you were ebayed. i agree that the bh/jedi system will never be turned off, but i also agree that something needs to change to keep the game dynamic at least slightly fair. the fact that post-cu jedi that doesnt have the millions upon millions of credits cant even get a saber half my dps is just completely wrong. add to that the fact that bh's are now exploiting things to hit harder/heal faster and you have a very dynamic situation that could potentially destroy what is left of this game.







Yes, I do remember the pains of being exploited while grinding but what makes a difference is: I didn't make a whining post on the forums because i got exploited, It's simple /report and send a ticket to a csr and grind your xp. Making another whining thread on the forums only causes nerfs and flames instead by doing /report and sending a ticket could get the exploiter banned, warned or suspended, etc...









well then you sir are a better man than me. i screamed, cried, cussed, logged out, reported, ticketed, screenshotted, and anything else i could have done to get rid of the fact that i just lost a ton of xp. did i ever make a post??? not at all. but i did throw my 2 cents in on quite a few that i found in this forum. if you remember in those day's we all stood together, we supported each other. that is what im asking for here.




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Heekae
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:30 pm
#47






goldragon76 wrote:





Heekae wrote:






goldragon76 wrote:
i went a little far with the last line i agree, im just tired of the bickering and outright rudeness from our own community. i didnt say you were ebayed. i said if you dont remember the pains of being exploited while grinding you were ebayed. i agree that the bh/jedi system will never be turned off, but i also agree that something needs to change to keep the game dynamic at least slightly fair. the fact that post-cu jedi that doesnt have the millions upon millions of credits cant even get a saber half my dps is just completely wrong. add to that the fact that bh's are now exploiting things to hit harder/heal faster and you have a very dynamic situation that could potentially destroy what is left of this game.







Yes, I do remember the pains of being exploited while grinding but what makes a difference is: I didn't make a whining post on the forums because i got exploited, It's simple /report and send a ticket to a csr and grind your xp. Making another whining thread on the forums only causes nerfs and flames instead by doing /report and sending a ticket could get the exploiter banned, warned or suspended, etc...









well then you sir are a better man than me. i screamed, cried, cussed, logged out, reported, ticketed, screenshotted, and anything else i could have done to get rid of the fact that i just lost a ton of xp. did i ever make a post??? not at all. but i did throw my 2 cents in on quite a few that i found in this forum. if you remember in those day's we all stood together, we supported each other. that is what im asking for here.





I know we all stood together in the old timesbut it cant be that way now with jedi crying to make jedi grind easier and getting jedi nerfed.



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Quiet420
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:31 pm
#48






Orthell wrote:





Quiet420 wrote:


docs and cm's each have multiple heals....on seperate cooldowns...that's how they heal so fast...and it's not an exploit...Jedi are limited in that we only have one real heal....a master heal has two, each with a seperate cooldown, but total heal is not viable.







Yes, there is that method and exploited method of healing, that is the issue. You shouldn't be able to spam the EXACT same heal every 1-3 seconds. With perfect timing or macro, it can be EVERY second, and this isn't lag.





correct..I just have only seen the abuse pertaining to combat specials, can't see much benefit for using it with healing, although I don't doubt that someone, somewhere is doing it.
Philosofikal
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:32 pm
#49

ok, so in the aspect of the lag, then freezing I have experienced that 4-5 times last Sat. Luckily enough, I wasn't attacked by a bh, however I was hunting in a group with other jedi and not really sure if it was affecting me somehow. I never have this problem, and haven't once I left the group. Each time if froze I had to reboot.



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Venya
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:36 pm
#50


Ran into the massive lag spikeissuerecently while pvp'ing, but the client did not crash (unless it takes a minute...I quick logged each time as soon as it started), it just locked up the game solid. 3 times. Could be just lag, but it never has happened on this level when I'm out pve'ing or whatnot.


1 : In a guildwar,opponents nearby but not engaged. Massive lag spike suddenly. Quicklogged.


2 : SF in battle, overts engaged. Massive lag spike suddenly. Quicklogged.


3 : SF but not in engaged in battle. No enemies around. Sudden massive lag spike, quicklogged and come back to have aBH pounding on me. Killed him like popping a balloon.



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goldragon76
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:40 pm
#51



I know we all stood together in the old timesbut it cant be that way now with jedi crying to make jedi grind easier and getting jedi nerfed.






now this i can say QFE. what we need to do is explain to these people rationally why what they are doing is having the negative effect. instead of flaming or just outright refusal to speak to these people, why can't we try to speak to them rationally and share our broader views and experiances to teach them what is what?




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Atobe
Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:44 pm
#52





darkhalosider wrote:
I see alot of stuff and it seems nothing is being worked out. All that is happening anymore is nerfs to our prof, so while we are gettin weaker the bh's and other profs just get more equiped to take us out. I think our cor needs to get these issues fixed and stop the nerfs or let someone that can handle it. im gettin really sick of our prof turning to crap without any resistance what so ever






I can just picture the conversation at a SOE Devs morning status meeting:


DevManager: Well, we've got the Ranger Revamp, Squad Leader Enhancements and AI changes to get worked into the testing cycle, along with everything else in Publish 24. Anything else?


DevA: Yeah, the Jedi forum correspondent emailed us a list of exploits and bugs. The Jedi seem a little upset by it, since this is the 387th time we've received this same list this week.


DevB: Hey man, Tanks sent me this list a mile long of exploits and bugs used by Jedi against BH's. What about them?


DevA: I don't wanna hear any more BH whines!!


DevB: Bahh!! J00 sux0rs!


DevManager: Calm down, people! DevC, you had something to add?


DevC: Yeah, there's this group of players that've been waiting a couple years to get some value added to their profession.


DevManager: Really? What profession is that?


DevC: Officially we call them 'Smugglers', but it seems they don't actually do any smuggling. They're wondering if they might get to do that someday.


DevManager: We'll get to that right after we fix that pearls and crystals thing I keep hearing about.


DevA: In other words ...


DevB: ... Never!


All: LOL!!!!


I hate to beat a dead horse, but Baciacca is the Jedi forum correspondent. His job is to act as an intermediary between the player base and SOE. He is not a developer, does not work for SOE, and cannot simply "get these issues fixed," no matter how many times you scream at him about it or suggest that someone else be given the same unenviable task as Jedi forum correspondent. I'd be willing to bet Baciacca is doing everything in his power to do. If he's not, then we should look for a replacement. Expecting him to make changesto things he has absolutely no control over is just plain stupid.



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