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Thread: Master Powers without any LS?

Mayor_Chuckles
Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:49 am
#27

I unlocked post cu and have had 3 templates so far. All powers with no sabers. Started with mpowers healer 4000 defender 4400 enhancer 3402. In my honest opinion this is the best anti bh temp you can have. Turn off force armor and you have incredible defence at absolutely no force cost, add a psg to that and you are golden. I would usually run a bh out of mind with 50% force left. But i felt my defences were lacking in jedi vs jedi pvp, even with 94 innate armor with force armor turned on. So i changed my temp to mpowers healer 4000 defender 4040 enhancer 3402. This did not lower the damage i took from other jedi but they sure miss alot more. But I felt that it was seriously lacking in a 1vs1 jedi environment, considering the insane force costs to do damagecompared to the cost of your opponent to heal. Now im mpowers 4000 healer 3404 enhancer 2040 defender. I am in love with this template and now advocate that drain is a necesity to any weilder of the force. This temp isnt nearly as good as my first temp against bh, but i have only had to run and cloak once from a bh since I got this temp and I started the fight with half force cause I was hunting krayts just before (yes i can solo an anchient with this temp). I fair very well in duels with non mdefender jedi and win more often that i lose even to those with defender xx4x. You just have to realise that you wont be able to outdamage their heals and you have to try other ways. I have had an hour long duel with a mdefender because she could not catch me and i could not outdamage her infusion (a litle bit of an exaguration, she hads to heal once whenever i poped a pyro) and stims. It bothers me when people say powers is godly vs non jedi, maybe the only ones you have fought are either bad or the bh cm mix that has no defences. But if you have ever tried to harm some one with imp cob up and 5k+ elemental armor (or the tkm armor) it might as well be a mdefender.



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Jyde71
Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:05 am
#28


I'm mpowers / 4000 heal / 3003 enhance / 1040 defender / 0400 sabers


I strongly suggest having some saber for jedi. However mpowers with a sweet rifle turns out better against non jedi than any saber can do with mpowers. (pre cu621dps without mls) Saves action and force for the moves that really hurt.


but jedi vs jedi theres absolutly no way you'll take down a fotm template without the use of sabers. Even with a pre cu sweet saber it's very difficult because of the lack of defensive skills and offensive is limited 1v1.


EDIT: Btw, mpowers does not suck ... it just cant be played like a normal fotm jedi.

Message Edited by Jyde71 on 09-30-2005 10:06 AM



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BukuJohnson
Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:11 am
#29

What would I forfeit from only having xxx2 LS instead of xxx4?
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An extra 1/10 misses from ranged opponents, and the highest damage ranged attack in the Jedi profession.


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jalexu
Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:17 am
#30

I'd take atleast 0400 saber Soul, damage from powers is not that great, but with armor break, you'll dish out decent damage methinks. And for armor break, it doesn't matter if you have a 700 dmg saber or a training saber.





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WCjtace
Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:19 am
#31

Ok just bite the bullet and stop pretending you really can have any defense with MPW.



MLS, MPW, 4040 Healer



Keep armor break on them and they have close to the same defense you do. Make heavy use of foods, time the steak right to let you pour on some nasty damage by stacking states, choke, AB, KD, PA, HH, BH etc.. And throw in some SAP and weaken/intim to keep them on thier toes. If you see a MDEF run... breach everyone else, early and often.



BH/CM are a piece of cake, choke and lightning cut thru thier ub3r 75% armor break sliced armor like butter. But be carefull vs jedi, it's very much a difficult fight against other jedi who know what they're doing.


Durzel
Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:38 am
#32



BukuJohnson wrote:
What would I forfeit from only having xxx2 LS instead of xxx4?
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An extra 1/10 misses from ranged opponents, and the highest damage ranged attack in the Jedi profession.


Buku
Naritus


Wouldn't the Master level Sabre Throw have the most damage (and a KD)?



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BukuJohnson
Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:06 am
#33

Wouldn't the Master level Sabre Throw have the most damage (and a KD)?
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I dropped MLS at the CU. My understanding is that in exchange for removing the AOE from Advanced Saber Throw they increased the damage on Improved Saber Throw. Whether the damage is equal at Advanced or lower because it also has a KD I am unsure of, but I do not believe it to have higher damage.


Buku
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Durzel
Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:15 am
#34

That's good to know.. I'm very tempted to change my MPowers/MEnh/Heal 4040 temp, but I'm also conscious of the imminent changes to Cloak. If Cloak gets gimped to the point where I really need to depend on Stasis to get out of tight jams, then I'd sooner run than fight (I'm not a huge PvP person).

Does Sabre Throw work on a different timer than Force Powers, in other words - could you in theory use Lightning at practically the same time?



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Tsukara
Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:41 am
#35


I'm MPowers, MLS, Healer 3xxx, Enhxxx2 ... i've been playing it for about 6 months.


prior to this template, i was MLS, MDEF, Healer 3xxx, Enhxxx2 ... i played that for 3 months.


i have a full suit of +25 dbl bladed speed, +25 dbl bladed accuracy tapes.


What i'll say is this, Master Powers has been much more rewarding, as far as style ... There are not many MPowers on Tarquinas, and when i fight someone for the first time I get alot of suprised comments about it.


On BH ... over the last 12 i've lost to 1 ... but against Jedi ... that's a COMPLETELY different story. I have several Jedi friends, and I cannot defeat someone with a decent Defense and Heal template. Some of that may be my pvp skils, and some of it may just be inherit to my template. With foods, my defense is really good against non Jedi.


One thing i'll tell you though, whatever you select ... start stockpiling XP ... I am constantly working towards the need to change based on design changes within my template. Though I will also say this ... Master Powers is alot of fun. And with MLS ... i saber throw / kd , AB, choke, intimidate, wave, weaken, saber throw .... ftw


hope this helps

Message Edited by Tsukara on 09-30-2005 08:43 AM



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freak88
Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:45 am
#36

the biggest problem you face as a jedi is survivability , wether sabers or powers.


go mpowers enh4402 def 0340 heal4000. with th you have run2,great rangeddefs, and great inate armor, you can take a hit. here are some variations for your play style


def 3040 heal4000 for a better melee tank for pveing. these 2 have 78 inate armor btw. now if you can live without run 1, and go down to run 1 , your tanking gets much better. it goes like this


mpowers enh 3402 , heal4000 def 4040 melee or def 0440 ranged. both have 82 inate armor, you will have well over 500 melee/ranged defs. personaly i would go with the melee defs, and you can actually tank. all these templates are great. its just what is your play style, ? run 1 or 2, or you a tiny bit concerned with more with melee defs or ranged defs?


now for my sig, i have mastered every profession, and every jedi skill. but what do i know.




VaainEldritch
Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:49 am
#37








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BukuJohnson
Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:54 am
#38

Does Sabre Throw work on a different timer than Force Powers, in other words - could you in theory use Lightning at practically the same time?
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Yes.

It gives you two ranged attacks with nice damage, and with FS 2 activated I can use the spread in cool down timers to my advantage.

Keep Crispic in you at all times, and then eat one each of the ranged and melee acc drinks when doing a ranged/melee combo such as AB, KD, Choke, Head Hit, MindBlast, Weaken. You lose stasis but you still have suppression and FR.

On a side note it would be great if Intimidate were a single target attack. I have found that when I can get stun, dizzy, and intimidate on a target their dmg drops by around 45% and I do not miss having defenses as much.


Buku
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VaainEldritch
Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:09 am
#39






BukuJohnson wrote:

On a side note it would be great if Intimidate were a single target attack. I have found that when I can get stun, dizzy, and intimidate on a target their dmg drops by around 45% and I do not miss having defenses as much.


Buku
Naritus



Also, if you can "persuade" the melee defence food Vegeparsine to work that should help you some with melee def clothing.




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