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same way we have to against defenders whilst using AI chained wait til force is dead

there we go then - cloaked players cannot be attacked so you couldn't drain them at least with someone with AI you can attack them.

A cloaked player that can attack would be too overpowered, especially with FRS enhancements - lower powers cost for cloak and abilities

Message Edited by tib-infinity on 06-19-2005 10:11 AM

NO

Heres why, cloak is a almost ultimate defnsive skill, only 1 bug atm, ppl can use /tar to see us and therefore use dueling and area attacks to kill or pop us out of cloak (ps do not use KD recovery when cloaked) We are going to be untimate spies/ninja attacks when that bug is taken away, if we could attack while cloaked it would be a ultimate defences as any othe player we are attacking could do nothing vs us till we dropped cloak.

AI has 750 force cost, can stack but thats more than 1500 force (most jedi have 6k max so 25% of your force in defensis alone) for 1 min. Ive sen good player with defender and bad ones who stack many AI and heal same time.

FR2 and FR3 have dmg reduction because of lag and ability to run in dmg and run out of range of others, it may have been slowed down but still is infinate faster then BR unless taken off by Breech

it is KNOWN DARK SIDE GET A BONUS TO POWERS.
Always has been and always will be.

This means powers are more powerful and cost less force.

Message Edited by tib-infinity on 06-19-2005 10:23 AM

Message Edited by cloudwalker1 on 06-19-2005 10:26 AM

dont be niave.

dark side will still geta bonus to pwoers regardless and even then an FRS player in PVP (regardless of forced or not) will ahve an unfair advantage other other players

your being naive by assuming there going to keep a broken system the same. Plus with all the jedi who dont like pvp around it would be better for SOE to make frs a mixture of pvp and pve grind as, grinding equals money

you missed the point.

ANY DARK JEDI THAT IS RANKED WILL HAVE A BONUS TO POWERS - REGARDLESS IF PVP OR PVE
therefore when that player chooses to do pvp they will overpower anyone else.

there cannot be a way to attack without ebign able to attack back.

AI is used for defence not attack. Cloak used in thsi way is for attack only - basically what you are saying i want to attack but dont want to get hurt.

Message Edited by tib-infinity on 06-19-2005 11:44 AM

Message Edited by cloudwalker1 on 06-19-2005 01:41 PM

cloak is a great skill, meant for evasion, not combat. Other than the numberous bugs, there is nothing wrong with it as it is.

Ok this is a stupid idea. Cloak is fine the way it is with exception to a few bugs that need fixing.

It can be used to escape if you can get out of range, and it can be used a suprise attack which is effective you should not be able to stand their whacking someone with them not knowing whos hitting them and being able todo nothing about it.

Fr can stay the same now it is toggled. AI i think needs a better counter other than drain which is rightfully getting changed soon. Breach should remove it however removing avoid should cost the exact amount it cosst to apply it i think that would be fair....not sure if it could be coded ?

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cloudwalker1 wrote:

and were does it say dark jedi will recieve benefit to powers from frs or are u still assuming its going to be like the old system

plus using AI stops u from being hurt(til force runs out) same as cloak would till force runs out

Message Edited by cloudwalker1 on 06-19-2005 01:41 PM

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It is not the same. As stated someone using AI can still be attacked. Where as if a cloaker could attack anyone they would be invincible.

as for the FRs benefits - if there were no benefits it wouldn't be worth doing. Of course there will be benefits or no one will participate.

The only assumption I have is that Dark Jedi get a reduction in force cost to powers - this may not be the case ,however my first point still stands - a cloaker that can attack that cannot be attacked is wrong and there is a huge case for griefing in thatinstance.

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tib-infinity wrote:


It is not the same. As stated someone using AI can still be attacked. Where as if a cloaker could attack anyone they would be invincible.

as for the FRs benefits - if there were no benefits it wouldn't be worth doing. Of course there will be benefits or no one will participate.

The only assumption I have is that Dark Jedi get a reduction in force cost to powers - this may not be the case ,however my first point still stands - a cloaker that can attack that cannot be attacked is wrong and there is a huge case for griefing in thatinstance.

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1. You are wrong in one point: Cloaked Jedi can still be attacked. With AOE (working as intended I guess because it is logical) and an exploit.

2. You are right: It would be unfair if Cloaked Jedi could attack. However: It is nice that u can heal and transfer force. And you can counter that: AOE-KD