Jedi Archive

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Digitalalchemyzt wrote:
hm...well id have to say no on this. Choke is unblockable and i think lightning is also. ive seen pvp tourneys and seen the powers of power and it can really be devastating.

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yes vs non jedi pwrs is good, vs jedi pwrs is useless

If powers get armour break, then I as a mls want a sap...

why do you think mpowers needs a ab anyway? pikeman , tkm, fencer , dont have one. they have to get swords to get it. there is a armor break for jedi, its the 2 hand line. isnt the cu great

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Jaidub wrote:

its a big drag that you need to pick up some sabers to have armor break , i just want to go master powers and no sabers. shouldnt powers be as tough and useful as sabers ? i think it should be a powerful alternative to sabers so we arent all running around looking the same and having the same temps. i think we need to see some more force speed tapes too, powers needs power !!!!!!!

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agree

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ValinCalred wrote:

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LucifersBane wrote:

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Durzel wrote:
If Choke isn't mitigated by armor, why is it I hit non-Jedi (ergo no Force defence or Force Shield) for different amounts with it depending on their template? It is definitely mitigated by something - otherwise we'd be hitting all non-Jedi for the same amount of damage. Maybe ranged defence?

Also, it's all well and good saying "FRS will benefit Powers" but you're forgetting the fact that progession in the FRS (at least as it was, dunno what the new FRS will bring) meant beating other Jedi. Powers is painful in JvJ as it is mitigated by so many other skills (Aura, Force Shield, Force Feedback, etc) and does not do anything like the same amount of damage it does to a non-Jedi opponent.

Choke doing 124 a tick to a person is nothing more than an irritant to that person - even basic Force Infusion would cancel out the damage.

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The damage varies depending on if their kd or not.

As you said we have no idea how progression will be in new frs so its pointless worrying about that till we know.

Master powers is viable 1vs1 depending what other skills you have.

My Temp :

Master Powers
0404 Lightsaber
4000 Healer
3402 Enhancer

In a 1vs1 i get by quite well, there is a lot of variety. You may say defenders are impossible to kill....not at all i have got many defenders on the backfoot and theyve hit ai.
At that point u can kite them with ease or even root them meanwhile there wasting force and you are still keeping them low on health.

Its all about learning your template and your opponents.

Try to duel as many different templates as you can.

Master powers without any lightsaber is probably gonna have a much harder time...but ive seen people who have held up master defenders for ages using kite and root tactics.

The damage they were doing wasnt too bad either.

As a master powers defender will be the hardest opponent you face.

Enhancers are not easy but if you land a breach you have a serious advantage especially if they dont notice

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I have your template, a pre cu ls, and I can't kill defenders unless they seriously screw up. I don't have problems with dmg, I take as much as I dish, but using force armor vs defenders, I just run out of force too fast. Enhancers are easy, stick with ls totally if they have feedback on, breach, kd choke, and breach some more

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Against defenders, there most likely gonna have a weaknes in attacking.
Or they will have sacrificed 1.5k heals for 1k heals.

As i mentioned u dont have to go toe to toe with one and if u get them in serious trouble they will hit ai just to survive and at that point u have the upper hand.

They are snared easy to kite and so u dont take much dmg but can still dish it out.

Force Intim although only a 20% reduction is still better than nothing. Also stun still reduces by 10% (mindblast)

I also have a pre cu saber, has 710 max dmg also have the 2 special colour crystals but am fed up of them and use a dark red crystal hehe.

Your not gonna win everytime infact if the defender is as good a player as you then itll end up with you having to retreat or dieing. You can only get better by practising. Also breaching them to remove aura is still useful

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ValinCalred wrote:

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Digitalalchemyzt wrote:
hm...well id have to say no on this. Choke is unblockable and i think lightning is also. ive seen pvp tourneys and seen the powers of power and it can really be devastating.

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yes vs non jedi pwrs is good, vs jedi pwrs is useless

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Powers is only weakend against people with aura line.

Anybody else and its perfectly fine especially if an enhancer doesnt bother putting shield or feedback up saves us time not having to breach them.

Also powers gets some nice bonuses (assuming they stay the same)....wont be quite asd devastating as it was pre cu. But still very nice.

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SpaceJawa wrote:
Ranged professions don't get an armor break. Not saying thats right or wrong, but I think thats why Powers doesn't have one. Or rather, thats one reason why it doesn't.

Message Edited by SpaceJawa on 10-09-2005 01:31 PM

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You have to be joking. If you haven't played a powers profession then watch one. They are not ranged. With zip timers, rooted until it fires, and long animations you are a tanker. Otherwise you can't deal out enough damage. Armor break isn't a bad idea. All jedi should be able to cut right through armor anyways. Jedi are using armor to mimic a master defender.

Choke is essentially a armor break though.

Um...not really. I have a friend that's Master Powers and he chose to not pick up any Lightsaber. I can't say he's at any real disadvantage aside from JvJ. Adding an Armorbreak to a theoretically "ranged" profession just opens a new can of worms. If you believe that you really need it that bad, it's possible to work into your template.

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RizeDega wrote:
The entire jedi profession needs a revamp.. these professions are just silly. I rarely even play my jedi.. u cant pvp with them unless ur MLS, MD and if ur powers ur dead too quick because of lack of defense and force bar drops in seconds.

The force bar is lame. Either remove action/mind bars and only give us force bar with HIGHER costs to offset more dmg.

Remember how in episode 1, qui-gon jinn(spelling) was soo tired after the first battle with Maul on tatooine? You do more dmg as a jedi but only for a short while, then you must escape. Jedi are not soldiers. We are not meant to fight off multiple high lvl targets, but one on one we should have no equal. I mean it should be close to a point vs a BH if they still want to keep that archaic method of forced pvp, but really they just need to start over.

Just play ur alts guys.. jedi is a waste of time. I use my jedi to decorate my guild hall.. bout all he is useful for in pvp or pve. What a waste of time to grind him.

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I have to agree with this. I was much better as a smuggler/pistoleer. I have Mpwers now and it is useless because of the force drain. Template of the month is the way to go.

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LucifersBane wrote:



God dammit do either of you play the game ?

Choke isnt stopped by any armour.

Its reduced by Force Defence!! you know that line that most people have because they want aura. Also shield reduces it but that can be removed with breach.

Powers does not need an armour break.

In the FRS powers will get a dmg increase which will gradually negate a defenders force defense. Which will most likely remain the same as it isnt an actual ability, its passive.

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Gawdcrappit I feel like an idiot. You're right, I always thought it was the innate armour that did it. My defence is I have never looked too closely at the defender tree, have always been hooked on powers/ enhancer.