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Thread: master powers needs an armor break type skill also.
Argonithe
Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:00 am
#14
Jaidub wrote:
its a big drag that you need to pick up some sabers to have armor break , i just want to go master powers and no sabers. shouldnt powers be as tough and useful as sabers ? i think it should be a powerful alternative to sabers so we arent all running around looking the same and having the same temps. i think we need to see some more force speed tapes too, powers needs power !!!!!!!
OH NO wait lets put all the Jedi skills in Padowan box !
Durzel
Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:07 am
#15
If Choke isn't mitigated by armor, why is it I hit non-Jedi (ergo no Force defence or Force Shield) for different amounts with it depending on their template? It is definitely mitigated by something - otherwise we'd be hitting all non-Jedi for the same amount of damage. Maybe ranged defence?
Also, it's all well and good saying "FRS will benefit Powers" but you're forgetting the fact that progession in the FRS (at least as it was, dunno what the new FRS will bring) meant beating other Jedi. Powers is painful in JvJ as it is mitigated by so many other skills (Aura, Force Shield, Force Feedback, etc) and does not do anything like the same amount of damage it does to a non-Jedi opponent.
Choke doing 124 a tick to a person is nothing more than an irritant to that person - even basic Force Infusion would cancel out the damage.
Also, it's all well and good saying "FRS will benefit Powers" but you're forgetting the fact that progession in the FRS (at least as it was, dunno what the new FRS will bring) meant beating other Jedi. Powers is painful in JvJ as it is mitigated by so many other skills (Aura, Force Shield, Force Feedback, etc) and does not do anything like the same amount of damage it does to a non-Jedi opponent.
Choke doing 124 a tick to a person is nothing more than an irritant to that person - even basic Force Infusion would cancel out the damage.
trajen2
Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:10 am
#16
SpaceJawa wrote:
If Powers gets an armor break, you're going to have Pistoleers asking for one too, then once they get it, carbs will join in, then rifles...It could go very, very wrong...Careful what you ask for my friends.
amen, bro. . .
When this happens, why have armor at all b/c the first move will ALWAYS be AB
LucifersBane
Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:35 am
#17
Durzel wrote:
If Choke isn't mitigated by armor, why is it I hit non-Jedi (ergo no Force defence or Force Shield) for different amounts with it depending on their template? It is definitely mitigated by something - otherwise we'd be hitting all non-Jedi for the same amount of damage. Maybe ranged defence?
Also, it's all well and good saying "FRS will benefit Powers" but you're forgetting the fact that progession in the FRS (at least as it was, dunno what the new FRS will bring) meant beating other Jedi. Powers is painful in JvJ as it is mitigated by so many other skills (Aura, Force Shield, Force Feedback, etc) and does not do anything like the same amount of damage it does to a non-Jedi opponent.
Choke doing 124 a tick to a person is nothing more than an irritant to that person - even basic Force Infusion would cancel out the damage.
The damage varies depending on if their kd or not.
As you said we have no idea how progression will be in new frs so its pointless worrying about that till we know.
Master powers is viable 1vs1 depending what other skills you have.
My Temp :
Master Powers
0404 Lightsaber
4000 Healer
3402 Enhancer
In a 1vs1 i get by quite well, there is a lot of variety. You may say defenders are impossible to kill....not at all i have got many defenders on the backfoot and theyve hit ai.
At that point u can kite them with ease or even root them meanwhile there wasting force and you are still keeping them low on health.
Its all about learning your template and your opponents.
Try to duel as many different templates as you can.
Master powers without any lightsaber is probably gonna have a much harder time...but ive seen people who have held up master defenders for ages using kite and root tactics.
The damage they were doing wasnt too bad either.
As a master powers defender will be the hardest opponent you face.
Enhancers are not easy but if you land a breach you have a serious advantage especially if they dont notice
iskareot
Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:37 am
#18
Jaidub wrote:
its a big drag that you need to pick up some sabers to have armor break , i just want to go master powers and no sabers. shouldnt powers be as tough and useful as sabers ? i think it should be a powerful alternative to sabers so we arent all running around looking the same and having the same temps. i think we need to see some more force speed tapes too, powers needs power !!!!!!!
Then as a Enhancer I want a force Breach. k thx
Dy-nod
Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:42 am
#19
No, can't have your cake and eat it too....Not to mention Sith Lordsusedsabersas well....force powers just enhanced their skills....the better fix would be to combine enhancer and powers into one tree...makes way more sense.....
Message Edited by Dy-nod on 10-10-2005 07:44 AM
ValinCalred
Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:44 am
#20
LucifersBane wrote:
Durzel wrote:
If Choke isn't mitigated by armor, why is it I hit non-Jedi (ergo no Force defence or Force Shield) for different amounts with it depending on their template? It is definitely mitigated by something - otherwise we'd be hitting all non-Jedi for the same amount of damage. Maybe ranged defence?
Also, it's all well and good saying "FRS will benefit Powers" but you're forgetting the fact that progession in the FRS (at least as it was, dunno what the new FRS will bring) meant beating other Jedi. Powers is painful in JvJ as it is mitigated by so many other skills (Aura, Force Shield, Force Feedback, etc) and does not do anything like the same amount of damage it does to a non-Jedi opponent.
Choke doing 124 a tick to a person is nothing more than an irritant to that person - even basic Force Infusion would cancel out the damage.
The damage varies depending on if their kd or not.
As you said we have no idea how progression will be in new frs so its pointless worrying about that till we know.
Master powers is viable 1vs1 depending what other skills you have.
My Temp :
Master Powers
0404 Lightsaber
4000 Healer
3402 Enhancer
In a 1vs1 i get by quite well, there is a lot of variety. You may say defenders are impossible to kill....not at all i have got many defenders on the backfoot and theyve hit ai.
At that point u can kite them with ease or even root them meanwhile there wasting force and you are still keeping them low on health.
Its all about learning your template and your opponents.
Try to duel as many different templates as you can.
Master powers without any lightsaber is probably gonna have a much harder time...but ive seen people who have held up master defenders for ages using kite and root tactics.
The damage they were doing wasnt too bad either.
As a master powers defender will be the hardest opponent you face.
Enhancers are not easy but if you land a breach you have a serious advantage especially if they dont notice
I have your template, a pre cu ls, and I can't kill defenders unless they seriously screw up. I don't have problems with dmg, I take as much as I dish, but using force armor vs defenders, I just run out of force too fast. Enhancers are easy, stick with ls totally if they have feedback on, breach, kd choke, and breach some more
sm1550
Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:58 am
#21
I don't think that Powers should have an armorbreak, but I do think it should have a snare.
As it is now, Enhancer has a root and a snare. I'd like to see it something like pistols vs. rifles where pistols has a root and rifles a snare, keep the root in Enhancer and move the snare to Powers. With a snare, the zip timers may be at least a tiny bit more manageable.
sm1550
Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:02 am
#23
it sucks though. i'd like to see one that actually works...maybe i'm just unlucky
ValinCalred
Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:05 am
#24
heh, i never use it. Maybe if they would make it an area snare or something it would be useful.
RizeDega
Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:14 am
#25
The entire jedi profession needs a revamp.. these professions are just silly. I rarely even play my jedi.. u cant pvp with them unless ur MLS, MD and if ur powers ur dead too quick because of lack of defense and force bar drops in seconds.
The force bar is lame. Either remove action/mind bars and only give us force bar with HIGHER costs to offset more dmg.
Remember how in episode 1, qui-gon jinn(spelling) was soo tired after the first battle with Maul on tatooine? You do more dmg as a jedi but only for a short while, then you must escape. Jedi are not soldiers. We are not meant to fight off multiple high lvl targets, but one on one we should have no equal. I mean it should be close to a point vs a BH if they still want to keep that archaic method of forced pvp, but really they just need to start over.
Just play ur alts guys.. jedi is a waste of time. I use my jedi to decorate my guild hall.. bout all he is useful for in pvp or pve. What a waste of time to grind him.
The force bar is lame. Either remove action/mind bars and only give us force bar with HIGHER costs to offset more dmg.
Remember how in episode 1, qui-gon jinn(spelling) was soo tired after the first battle with Maul on tatooine? You do more dmg as a jedi but only for a short while, then you must escape. Jedi are not soldiers. We are not meant to fight off multiple high lvl targets, but one on one we should have no equal. I mean it should be close to a point vs a BH if they still want to keep that archaic method of forced pvp, but really they just need to start over.
Just play ur alts guys.. jedi is a waste of time. I use my jedi to decorate my guild hall.. bout all he is useful for in pvp or pve. What a waste of time to grind him.
Digitalalchemyzt
Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:31 am
#26
hm...well id have to say no on this. Choke is unblockable and i think lightning is also. ive seen pvp tourneys and seen the powers of power and it can really be devastating.