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MasterSheep

Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:08 pm

#27

lol - are you serious? - it means damage per second

worked out as

max damage + min damage / (speed x 2)

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JediLeong

Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:08 pm

#28

For those of you who insist that DPS means something, go check out the Weaponsmith forum, it's in one of the stickies

No matter how uber you think you may be, methinks the WS would know more than you about weapons, yes?

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Aikes

Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:12 pm

#29

DPS means what?

Okay okay, just kiding. If you are MLS your DPS means more then if not, but the key is changing up your attacks. If you use default, DPS means nothing. IF you use several different attacks behind each other then your DPS means a little. Of course, if you just run around in hawt pants and fling poo at your enemies then you can have a DPS of 1 and everyone will still run from you.

RoundWallKing

Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:24 pm

#30

Aikes wrote:
DPS means what?

Okay okay, just kiding. If you are MLS your DPS means more then if not, but the key is changing up your attacks. If you use default, DPS means nothing. IF you use several different attacks behind each other then your DPS means a little. Of course, if you just run around in hawt pants and fling poo at your enemies then you can have a DPS of 1 and everyone will still run from you.

You have no idea what your talking about. Using specials is what makes DPS inaccurate. Dps only applies to /attack command you noob.

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Aikes

Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:29 pm

#31

RoundWalking wrote: You have no idea what your talking about. Using specials is what makes DPS inaccurate. Dps only applies to /attack command you noob.

Go buy some happy pills and relax. If your old enough... go get laid. If your not buy a lolli pop. Your in serious need for some recreation and stress relief, that or you ran out of your moms underwear crunchies.Each attack has its own warm up timers.

Of course, I could be wrong, I could be right,andmaybe the world exists to ruin your sad little existence eh?

hamhamthe3rd

Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:51 pm

#32

dps isnt meaningless. if you increase your dps you have effectively increased your damage output although the display doesnt reflect correctlyby how much. as someone already said, the faster you are the higher your dps will be in relation to your max damage. if you are slow with a high max then youre going to see a lower dps than a if you had speed with the same high max. this is important for the reason being it tells you where you need to be. if you have a saber whose max is 700 and your dps is only 400ish, then that is telling you that you are no where near where your speed should be thus, your damage output isnt as great as it can be.

i dont think anyone makes the claim that dps is all-important but neither is it unimportant.

Panther5150

Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:59 pm

#33

MrShipWright wrote:

Panther5150 wrote:
For the last time "alot' is not a freaking word. It is a lot!!!!

thats alot of anger over a typo bah alot of people on this forums need to chill out!

I was mostly joking....Mostly

Tsumitsuki

Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:23 pm

#34

From my combat log and stats on my saber.

5 hits at 543 per hit in 16 seconds using /attack

total damage in 16 seconds = 2715

damage per second = 2715/16 = 169.68

BASE dps on the saber I was using = 214.88

Not even close

Saber speed (base) is 2.82

Modded speed is 1.73

But other threads show that modded speed isnt actually used.

16/5 = 3.2 given that the combat log only shows whole seconds there is likely error but the 3.2 is close(ish) to my saber base speed of 2.82

I would guess that the system is indeed using the base not modded speed and that the dps number on my saber is totally meaningless.

GeneralDeschain

Fri Sep 02, 2005 6:26 pm

#35

just call it theoretical dps listed... there are way too many factors involved to say the higher the better. dps listed cant be just the saberhit attack alone because of the cooldown time. so it has to affect the use of two different saber attacks. but then you get another problem... action, mind, and force cost. since dps could only be comparedeffectively over a long period of time, you would need exactly the same amount of action, mind, and force cost... not to mention the same specials used to determine overall best dps. as it stands, the listed dps doesnt matter... its all about min max and being able to sustain that min max over extended period of time.

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MasterSheep

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:04 am

#36

as a weaponsmith i could make a stupidly high dps weapon by throwing everything i can at the speed.. HOWEVER in practice the low min damage on this weapon would make it totally impractical for high end content as at high end content the min damage is used where as dps works off the average of min and max

DPS is a good basic read on a weapon however not the be all and end all

example

Weapon 1

400-800 @ speed of 2 - dps 300

Weapon 2

250-500 @ speed of .5 - dps 750

however weapon 1 is by far the better weapon

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LintonLisa

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:09 am

#37

Of course DPS matters, why?

Let me explain:

None of the numbers on your saber actually work as shown, damage is always more than shown (with speicals) speed dependent on warm ups and cool downs.

So 700 damage is meaningless, because who does 700 damage? No one, most people use speicals. So why is damage any more telling than dps?

What is DPS?

Average Damage = DPS
speeed

So... as you can see DPS tells some one the relationship between your speed and damage.

Person X goes: I have a 700 max damage saber!!!

Person Y goes: I have a 700 Max Damage saber!!!

Are those sabers exaclty the same? No... of course not. Because the speeds could becompletely different. By giving DPS it is a -gauge- of how fast and how much damage your saber has.

It actually tells you more information than damage or speed alone.

The best way is to have all stats, of course. But a quick way to determine a weapons strength is DPS, thats why it was added.

Its like the supermarket label that tells you in a 12 pack of crips you pay 20p a pack, and in a 24 bag you pay 10p a pack.

Weapon 1

400-800 @ speed of 2 - dps 300

Weapon 2

250-500 @ speed of .5 - dps 750

Well... these are both crap weapons. And the speed on Weapon 2 is impossible. Max speed is 1, so it should look like this:

Weapon 1

400-800 @ speed of 2 - dps 300

Weapon 2

250-500 @ speed of1 - dps 425

Clearly when buying a weapon you look at damage and speed as well, but for a quick guide, you check out the dps. Weapon 1 has a bad DPS for a weapon, you want going on 400 dps from a weapon. But weapon two has a terrible damage. But you will be able to fire quicker.

Then ontop of that is SAC cost:

Weapon 1

400-800 @ speed of 2 - dps 300

Sac 100

Weapon 2

250-500 @ speed of1 - dps 425

Sac 65

Now which is the better weapon? Hard to decide, right?

Message Edited by LintonLisa on 09-02-2005 08:15 PM

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RoundWallKing

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:11 am

#38

Hactar wrote:
No, DPS does mean somthing. Sure it aint all but someone with a 400 dps saber hits harder then someone with a 200 dps saber. And currently its near impossible getting a new high-dps saber. Enough said.

You sir have no Idea what your talking about. Dont mislead people with your uninformed posting.

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Jacella

Sat Sep 03, 2005 12:18 am

#39

The application of mushrooms, doc buffs and force speed will throw your dps numbers to the wind.

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