Jedi Archive

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Dyrwen wrote:

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One-Wit_DaForce wrote:

I had 4 accounts between me and my 3 kids that I cancelled because a BH AFK killed me. These have been the only times I have been killed by BH is AFK. Other players can get up and use the bathroom, answer the door, get a drink or do any number of real life things that take them away from the keyboard for a short period of time. This latest BH was hitting me for 300 points of damage while I had no Aura or Valor running. This guy would never have a chance against me otherwise. I wouldn't mind the kill if it didn't damage my gear and cause me to loose 300K of XP.

There needs to be a mechanism to let me go AFK when not in battle to handle real life issue. So my 4 accounts were Station pass accounts. So I apply a $80 penalty to SWG for unbalanced game dynamics. I don't mind the BH vs Jedi forced PVP but this requires some basic common sense rules.

ps - my kids didn't play that much anyways since they have started school.

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It's called /sit; /logout; You got 30 seconds to stay by the keyboard before you're afk and free to go.

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Message Edited by Cahnuuk on 09-13-2005 10:47 AM

this is for mbh/cms who s only flames are

1. you must have just got your arse kicked by a mbh/,cm.

to verify this as a no, my ign is StiFFler, ahazi server, this would be a no, i do kill them as often as possible tho, again this thread isnt about nerfing mbh /cm, its if the devs sawa balance to go so extremely out of their way to drop all former prerequisite points for cm and bh, then i think jedi should be able to do the same with our mostly worthless fs skill points.

i have heard a rumor that the more bh s you kill, without being killed, the more your jedi is worth on the final bounty payout, well i must be worth alot, my exp is capped at 4 mil, and havent been kill by bh s, plural, since the bst team of bh s, plural, got me right at cu, that was a long time ago. i have had to completely change my template and play totally different now, basically had to dmbdown my jedi. for the combat downgrade.

so if cms dont exist in star wars, can i bring my warlock in from wow to play too? shouldnt be to hard, after all, docs and cm s heal with magic already.

i didnt ask for a nerf on bh/cm, .

this is the way jedi is now. if you dont have say enh 3402 def0040 atleast, notice im using the word atleast very loosely here, you are basically going to get smoked by a bh. so right noe all jedi pretty much have the same template.

so for all those cool lightning effects and other skills that are cool and would be nice to have, but really dont do much at all in pvp as far as damage. if you pick them, and a bh gets a hold of you, you are smoked.

i am simply asking to get me 24 points of fs skills so i can put them to better use, much like what the mbh/mcms got the oppurtunity to do. no more master marksman master medic for them.

this will allow me to get some other skills that i would like to have, such as lightning, i would love to have this skill. but if i drop what i have now to get it, im bh toast.

im not asking fora nerf, im just asking for my fs skill points back if i choose to surrender them, much like, but noy as extreme as the master medi master marksman drop for mbh/mcm.

The problem is not cm/bh template. That is actually a very balanced temp for a good jedi. The problem is that most jedi cannot be good without their weapon. I think there is too much weight placed the pearls/crystals as it pertains to the quality of the lightsaber.

In a good ls vs. bad ls fight, the good ls will almost always win regardles of the player skill. A monkey can hit random keys and still win that contest. A player with a good ls and decent pvp skills hasvery littleto worry about. For him/her, the bh/cm template is a nice challange and a welcome change. For the rest of the jedi not fortunate enough to have some premium pearls, all the skill in the world cannot make up for a lightsaber that cannot outdamage the cm's ability to heal.

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freak88 wrote:

this is for mbh/cms who s only flames are

1. you must have just got your arse kicked by a mbh/,cm.

to verify this as a no, my ign is StiFFler, ahazi server, this would be a no, i do kill them as often as possible tho, again this thread isnt about nerfing mbh /cm, its if the devs sawa balance to go so extremely out of their way to drop all former prerequisite points for cm and bh, then i think jedi should be able to do the same with our mostly worthless fs skill points.

i have heard a rumor that the more bh s you kill, without being killed, the more your jedi is worth on the final bounty payout, well i must be worth alot, my exp is capped at 4 mil, and havent been kill by bh s, plural, since the bst team of bh s, plural, got me right at cu, that was a long time ago. i have had to completely change my template and play totally different now, basically had to dmbdown my jedi. for the combat downgrade.

out of those 24 fs points, i would keep, melee speed, melee accu, ranged def, melee def, , so i would actually only take 8 back if i could.

2. stop trying to get me to believe that mdoc doesnt cost alot more points then mcm. if you are ranged, and 99 pct of cms are mbh s, then you saved alot of points going mbh mcm because the 2 share the same marksman box prerequisites. mdoc doesnt get to share points with any combat profession, this is wrong.

so devs after dropping master marksman, and master medic, also allowed mcm to share marksman 0004 as a pre requisite with any ranged profession"mbh", creating a super alpha class, that outheals, outdamages, out dot s, out snares, out wears here we go again, unbreakeable 7000 LIGHTSABER resistant armor. ok now my question is, where is the balance to the new super power alpha class? my 8 fs points would certainly help, and if you wanted all 24 back, could be even better, it would be a lot less then all the pre reqs for bh and cm that got dropped, and freed up.

also, can somebody give me a link or heads up to a mcm i n star wars? i saw docs, and medics. but i havent read anywhere about a gun toting, poison, disease, paralyzing, thyroid rupturing , over healing, maniac anywhere in star wars period. the simply dont exist.

so if cms dont exist in star wars, can i bring my warlock in from wow to play too? shouldnt be to hard, after all, docs and cm s heal with magic already.

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Well. For one, all the classes pre-requisites were lowered to be equal across the board to allow more variety. I mastered BH when it required Master Marksman and Master Scout. The only profession in the game to require 2 masteries in order to be the elite profession. But you want to know what we were? The worst range class in the game. With everything that you had to put into to be a BH, u got nothing in return for it. Want to know what we were told when we asked to have power that wasequivalent to what we invested in it, especially by ya'll Jedi? Suck it up. Learn to play your profession. I feel the same with Jedi. Suck it up and learn to play your profession.

You say that you own BH's all the time. Why are you complaining that they are too powerful? That is the number one hypocrasy I don't understand about some Jedi. They complain that the BH's are too powerful, but at the same time say that they wipe the floor with BH's all the time. Which is it?

Don't complain that our profession has found a way to defeat Jedi. Take a look at what is needed and the time people invest just to beat u guys. AB sliced armor. 8000 resist Recon Armor. Maxed out weapons. Numerous CA's and AA's. Food. A BH has to max himself out on everything in order to even just have a chance against a Jedi.

And as far as the question of where in the SW universe were the CM's? Why don't you ask yourself where in the SW universe were dozens of Jedi having saber battles in Theed Starport while under Imperial rule?

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Nakahs wrote:

LoL is this a joke? How can such a gimped prof like MCM be part of a 2 Master Alpha Class? Im MBH MRM CM4xxx and can defeat every MCM MBH easily. Yes they can debuff u drain u and dot dam u a bit ...but they have nearly no defense and do no dam at all. I usually dont even need to heal more than 2 or 3 times when i fight such a Combo. The real FTWAlpha Class (apart from Jedi)actually is Swordi/TKM/Doc Combo u can just be happy they cant hunt Jedi or better to say These Melees can be happy its not a dabble proffession for MBH or they will feel how the nerfbat will cut them down to uselessness they normally should be after CU.

I just cant understand why so many new Jedi have problems with this BH Combo? Or is it because it takes more time to defeat those cause they lower ure speed and action regen andparalyse u sometimes to apply their debuffs -so u cant chop them in a few hits?

If u want to stop all BH's go MBH MCM ...only for the reason to have a longer than 5min fight and makes the Jedi use tactics than remove pre cu sabers / pearls / crystals and cut the jedi defense from mdef so a ranged BH like me has again a chance after the startle nerf the jedi called for.

I dont say this nerf wasnt needed i only say Jedi is still way too overpowered and only reason for the new FOTM template is that BH's are sick of dieing too fast without having at least a longer than 5min fight and most importantdoing NO damage at all.

Make it so ranged BH again can do some decent dam and remove pre cu unbalanced sabers and pearls then u will see many BH's go back to the ranged proffessions.

If u really want to nerf the poor CM's u will see no BH with a brain is after Jedi anymore and that would kill part of the full templatedJedi Endgame.

I dont think thats what they want... its boring enough always to duel at spaceports with other Jedi.

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your a normal profession. a master rifleman can outdamage a jedi there genius, regardless of what pearls or what saber a jedi has.

so you can beat a mcm/mbh from 65m away! OMG!!!

try managing a force bar, action bar, mind bar and healthbar. your template is a damage dealer from range, if you didnt win against a mbh/mcm with that temp then something is wrong

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foz200315 wrote:

jedi are pathetic now as a class. look at the stats pre cu (the focus on jedi was that altho a typical non defender had very little in form of defense they had one hell of a punch and that was what made jedi fun and difficult to play well.)

--85 precent saber block (at MLS, now its 25)

--78 percent force armor (at the higher frs levels)

--lightsaber toughness (taken away, bulls!it move)

--ultimate attacks for sabers in the fourth teir boxes and master boxthat gave us blind/dizzy/stun in one move (no need to waist force doing three spearate moves to 'try' to land a state on an enemy)

OMG! Mate, pre cu, not many Jedi = very very strong template.

Everyone wanted to be Jedi = Devs gave all an equal oppertunity to do so.

Mass increase in Jedi population with pre cu stats = Cant be done.

Mass increase in Jedi population =Decrease in Jedi strength.

Think about it.

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One-Wit_DaForce wrote:

I had 4 accounts between me and my 3 kids that I cancelled because a BH AFK killed me.

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Message Edited by Eleutherios on 09-13-2005 10:11 PM