Jedi Archive
Thread: Did we cause Ourselves to be Underpowered? YES!
CabraofGorath wrote:
LordDraconis wrote:
Underpowered well don't know about that, seems you guys are fine were you are. Besides chances are jedi are going to get nerfed more when FRS comes back. Made a post a few days ago about balance and why cu made you guys alot weaker. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1251854
Overall jedi is fine were they are I agree they should fix FRS but I don't want to see jedi get too overpowered that they need 5 bh to take them down I always found that very dumb it took that much. Bh solo jedi now because jedi said they didn't like getting ganked by bh grouping. Thats all good but since bh can only solo jedi now I see no reason to really make jedi all that much more powerfull.
sounds like you dont havea jedi....well....your oppinon doesnt matter then cuz you dont understand what its like.
Why doesn't it because I don't have a jedi?....I face you guys on a daliy bases. I know once you were god like with the comp armor.....and FRS back then made you very powerfull. I know once you guys were able to take 5 bh with ease. I understand why you guys are mad. Bh are able to go toe to toe with you....but you guys knew that cu was gonna change alot of things. Nerfs are bad I argee butthe devs are gonna nerf alot.
Try to look on the bright side bh can't farm money off of paddys any more and ganking a jedi is a thing of the pass.Like I said before when they fix FRS I'm sure you will get more rewards and such but bh will always be in the picture because thats a risk youtake being a jedi. Also, back then you had prema death....now its only 400k at the most. Its still alot of exp but at least you don't have it as hard.
Message Edited by LordDraconis on 10-09-2005 07:13 PM
dude id take the pve xp loss and the bh 5 man squads back for pre cu power, id take the saber tef and skill loss back for pre 9 power.
LordDraconis wrote:
CabraofGorath wrote:
LordDraconis wrote:
Underpowered well don't know about that, seems you guys are fine were you are. Besides chances are jedi are going to get nerfed more when FRS comes back. Made a post a few days ago about balance and why cu made you guys alot weaker. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1251854
Overall jedi is fine were they are I agree they should fix FRS but I don't want to see jedi get too overpowered that they need 5 bh to take them down I always found that very dumb it took that much. Bh solo jedi now because jedi said they didn't like getting ganked by bh grouping. Thats all good but since bh can only solo jedi now I see no reason to really make jedi all that much more powerfull.
sounds like you dont havea jedi....well....your oppinon doesnt matter then cuz you dont understand what its like.
Why doesn't it because I don't have a jedi?....I face you guys on a daliy bases. I know once you were god like with the comp armor.....and FRS back then made you very powerfull. I know once you guys were able to take 5 bh with ease. I understand why you guys are mad. Bh are able to go toe to toe with you....but you guys knew that cu was gonna change alot of things. Nerfs are bad I argee butthe devs are gonna nerf alot.
Try to look on the bright side bh can't farm money off of paddys any more and ganking a jedi is a thing of the pass.Like I said before when they fix FRS I'm sure you will get more rewards and such but bh will always be in the picture because thats a risk youtake being a jedi. Also, back then you had prema death....now its only 400k at the most. Its still alot of exp but at least you don't have it as hard.
Message Edited by LordDraconis on 10-09-2005 07:13 PM
my lvl73 stacker can pretty much rip any jedi apart in the GCW, i can even tank 5 or 6 of them at once, try watching the post i made a few days ago called : jedi overpowered video proff /sarcasm off, where you can see just how "powerful" jedi are vs non jedi both cm/bh and stackers.
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Jedi has gotten easier to be, look at all the things that have been removed to make things easier.
permadeath gone
no saber tef
village method to unlocking
no visibility from groups
bhs cannot pick missions
no xp loss from death by animals
no xp loss from death by other players (except bh)
Of course you are going to be less powerful. Besides you are still powerful enough to defeat one foe with ease that foe being the galactic civil war...its pretty dead for non jedi.
Message Edited by Nathanielstarr on 10-09-2005 07:16 PM
PedricCuff wrote:
OK, the mission selection on the terms is totally random, and there is no way for BHs to draw missions on the same Jedi knowingly, contrary to what you may think.
Actually, it's not as random as you think, and it's QUITE easy for several BHs to get the same mission. I'll send you a PM as to how this is done so as not to post for all BHs to see...
SSFSM wrote:
PedricCuff wrote:
OK, the mission selection on the terms is totally random, and there is no way for BHs to draw missions on the same Jedi knowingly, contrary to what you may think.
Actually, it's not as random as you think, and it's QUITE easy for several BHs to get the same mission. I'll send you a PM as to how this is done so as not to post for all BHs to see...
lol it really is not. Ask a CSR if you want, it really is random. And trust me, I've tried getting a gank squad, used all the reported methods, and it still doesn't work. I've ganked a Jedi by chance once (all 3 of us got to him at the same time, we had no idea we had the same mission until we opened fire).
I would say that thoose who believe Jedi have a divine secret that makes them stronger than good pvp non-jedi is either unexperienced or a newbie.
LordDraconis wrote:
Not trying to bring you down man...yes jedi are the the alpha class. They are very powerfull if used right....some people don't know how to use them.
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Jedi has gotten easier to be, look at all the things that have been removed to make things easier.
permadeath gone
no saber tef
village method to unlocking
no visibility from groups
bhs cannot pick missions
no xp loss from death by animals
no xp loss from death by other players (except bh)
Of course you are going to be less powerful. Besides you are still powerful enough to defeat one foe with ease that foe being the galactic civil war...its pretty dead for non jedi.
Message Edited by Nathanielstarr on 10-09-2005 07:16 PM
i take all the back tho for there power....they made it way too easy and took our power because of it......
MsNiL wrote:
I would say that thoose who believe Jedi have a divine secret that makes them stronger than good pvp non-jedi is either unexperienced or a newbie.
LordDraconis wrote:
Not trying to bring you down man...yes jedi are the the alpha class. They are very powerfull if used right....some people don't know how to use them.
They have no numerical advantage. Templatewise good non-Jedi templates are way above even the strongest of Jedi templates. But ofcourse, there's the human element. A good non-Jedi will never loose against a good Jedi though.
Maybe you should try to test a non-Jedi for awhile. To see what you are talking about.
yup my guess is he never saw samurijacks video...man hes a ubber 73 that can tank 4 or 5 jedi at once
We are starting to get more and more people like that on Corbantis as well. People just cant accept that their Jedi is as weak as they are, while the meleestackers whipe the floor with them.
CabraofGorath wrote:
yup my guess is he never saw samurijacks video...man hes a ubber 73 that can tank 4 or 5 jedi at once
MsNiL wrote:
I would say that thoose who believe Jedi have a divine secret that makes them stronger than good pvp non-jedi is either unexperienced or a newbie.
LordDraconis wrote:
Not trying to bring you down man...yes jedi are the the alpha class. They are very powerfull if used right....some people don't know how to use them.
They have no numerical advantage. Templatewise good non-Jedi templates are way above even the strongest of Jedi templates. But ofcourse, there's the human element. A good non-Jedi will never loose against a good Jedi though.
Maybe you should try to test a non-Jedi for awhile. To see what you are talking about.
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Besides you are still powerful enough to defeat one foe with ease that foe being the galactic civil war...its pretty dead for non jedi.
Who is the "you" who "defeated" the GCW? Surely you aren't blaming your fellow paying subscribers for consuming a product that SOE/LA designed and offered, are you? Are you saying Jedi players are responsible for the design and coding of the game?
Do people complain a lot on these forums? Absolutely. Do most of the subscribers post here though? I'm not convinced of that. And even if that were the case, there is a lot of complaining that goes unheard (e.g. Pearl drops, saber speed, smugglers can't smuggle, where have all the droids gone in Star Wars, etc.). So I'm not sure there's a direct correlation between forum complaints and the design of the game.
Perhaps that is more true on the Correspondents' forum?
MickGrey wrote:
Not to pick on one particular poster.... I highlight this because I see a lot of posts that lay blame to "you Jedi", and here's a fresh example:
Nathanielstarr wrote:
Besides you are still powerful enough to defeat one foe with ease that foe being the galactic civil war...its pretty dead for non jedi.
Who is the "you" who "defeated" the GCW? Surely you aren't blaming your fellow paying subscribers for consuming a product that SOE/LA designed and offered, are you? Are you saying Jedi players are responsible for the design and coding of the game?
Do people complain a lot on these forums? Absolutely. Do most of the subscribers post here though? I'm not convinced of that. And even if that were the case, there is a lot of complaining that goes unheard (e.g. Pearl drops, saber speed, smugglers can't smuggle, where have all the droids gone in Star Wars, etc.). So I'm not sure there's a direct correlation between forum complaints and the design of the game.
Perhaps that is more true on the Correspondents' forum?
Abviously you are right about those that actually make the decisions on what code should be written are the ones to blame...that is so true. They gave us the rope to hang ourselves.
But I do believe that Jedi typically attracts a certain kind of player. Alot of the professions attract certain kind of players...dancers are social, crafters like to make things and have customersetc. Jedi players are powergamers. These are the types that ruin games all the time. I'm not saying every jedi is like this but i think the added power or perception of power attracts this type. You know the guys that talk in leet speak and call everyone noobs. These were the guys that had legendary weapons or were cms before the Jedi explosion.
I can't speak for other servers but on my server 99 out of 100 pvp battles is 15 Jedi plus 2 or 3 of their non jedi friends running around killing everyone that dares be SF. Then if you do go SF and you die in 2.5 seconds you are insulted and called a noob.
LordDraconis wrote:
Underpowered well don't know about that, seems you guys are fine were you are. Besides chances are jedi are going to get nerfed more when FRS comes back. Made a post a few days ago about balance and why cu made you guys alot weaker. http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1251854
Overall jedi is fine were they are I agree they should fix FRS but I don't want to see jedi get too overpowered that they need 5 bh to take them down I always found that very dumb it took that much. Bh solo jedi now because jedi said they didn't like getting ganked by bh grouping. Thats all good but since bh can only solo jedi now I see no reason to really make jedi all that much more powerfull.
Ok, In the old system if you had a good template you could take down a knight. Anyone ever remember Kameelean take down a knight/full temp in a 1v1. That guy always came alone, never talked trash and in my opinion was the epitome of what BH's should be! Also, Lawlerskates could also take down a full template. It was alot harder but he made do with his ranged template and nasty DE-10! Now, granted most Bh's were not nearly as good/feared as these two were. I'm only trying to give exaples of BH's putting up a great fight, 1v1 with a knight.I also remember madison (with his nasty NS alnces and a female BH with a DE-10 putting a beat down on a JUDGE knight, that's another story for a different place though). And also, to address one fo the first few post: I think the OP's intent was toosee if people would lbe willing tobring back names on the termials in favor of a stronger jedi. This poster for one would!