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Thread: Just some food for thought on Saber Dmg
Also keep in perspective that the minimum damage on Sabers are comparatively higher for the their max damages.
All in all, jedi are more than saber wielders. I am grinding a ranged hybrid template with a carbine on par with that rifle that thumbs its nose at crappy pearl drops. Defender skills are awesome, the healing line of healer is very useful, add in Force run and supression from enhancer and you have a good base for any master ranged elite.
Metalsaber wrote:
Clicky
Look at the stats on that gun. That is just wrong in so many ways. Even us with premium pearls cannot match the stats on that gun. So why are we fighting amongst ourselves?
That and a rifleman doesnt have to be 5m away or less to attack.
Thx soe.
Aura + PSG = trando rifle PWNd
WookieOgre wrote:
xur-soma wrote:
Gohma_Manovich wrote:
Jacella wrote:
Lightsaber damage stats aren't what make us effective and dominating in combat. You aren't taking into account the rest of the skills we have at our disposal.
yes this is very true a piure jedi is very powerful, but if you imagine a 3 set of proffesions based around a weapon which did 1.1k damage and that would be poiwerful too
Ranged players also do not have AB like or Force Weaken like jedi do! the stats on that gun dont mean spit to me like I said it give to any MRM and i will duel the guy anytime.
Just like to state the reason why Ranged players do not have AB type of attack is balance purposes. You can't give a person the ability to hit you from 65m away and also give them extra daamge on top of it.
Besides, why would ranged need AB when there is already 75% armorbreak slices? Heck, all we are really talking about is 16% extra damage I believe if someone has AB sliced armor.
i understand that but point is not why ranged need AB they dont! my point is i will out dmg that gun any day of the week w/ my saber 75% AB or not i dueled our guild leader with a full set of mando all with 75% AB I had no problems ....
Jacella wrote:
esfnighthawk wrote:
That's not my point. Why are LS, the most iconic and strongest weapons in the SW Universe, sub par to other weapons on damage. We have better/faster specials, mez, aura, blah blah blah. I can kill mobs alot faster with my MRifleman than I ever could with my Jedi. And with CM, that makes my MRifle just the same as my Jedi. Mez? Pick up Pistoleer. Snaring? Rifleman got that. Healing? Combat Medic check. Aura and innate Defense. Pick up TK. You got to be kidding me, normal professions can match up/beat just about any Jedi ability. You can be Swords/TK/CM and be a helluva lot more effective than a MLS/MDEF. But you're turning this into something it's not.
No one is looking for an I win button. My entire point was, why don't LS have the chance to reach/go over 1000 damage? To me, that's retarded. LS are like THE weapon in SW. Yet I get better dps with my ALR, with no marksman skill whatsoever with basic ranged attack. You can't tell me something is not right with that.
So... to achieve all that my jedi can do, I would need 600 skillpoints..
Lol, read down a little further. I said you can be Swords/TK/CM and be better than any Jedi. I was simply pointing out the fact that everyone gets what we have. Come on now, you've been playing this game for around 1 year now, you know better than to say we have all the cool stuff no one else has. That's just not true. I can't even hold an aggro for long because someone else will outdamage me. But I'm tired of arguing, so I'm just going to agree with everyone and say that Sabers are the uber.
Best Attacks:
Sabers -
Power Attack = 750 dmg w/o AB; 900dmg w/o AB +KD; 1k dmg w/AB; 1.2k dmg w/AB +KD
HeadHit = 500 dmg w/o AB; 750 dmg w/o AB +KD; 800dmg w/AB; 1k dmg w/AB +KD
Rifles
Advanced Critical Shot = 800 dmg w/o AB; 1k dmg w/o AB +KD; 1.4k dmg w/AB; 1.8k dmg w/AB +KD
Sniper Shot = 1.4k dmg w/o AB; 2k dmg w/o AB +KD; 2.2k dmg w/AB; 3k+ dmg w/AB+KD
After comparing PA to SS and HH to AC, we clearly see that the Saber wins the day.
Message Edited by esfnighthawk on 09-06-2005 02:20 PM
Then why do I beat these templates 100% of the time??
esfnighthawk wrote:
Lol, read down a little further. I said you can be Swords/TK/CM and be better than any Jedi. I was simply pointing out the fact that everyone gets what we have. Come on now, you've been playing this game for around 1 year now, you know better than to say we have all the cool stuff no one else has. That's just not true. I can't even hold an aggro for long because someone else will outdamage me. But I'm tired of arguing, so I'm just going to agree with everyone and say that Sabers are the uber.
Best Attacks:
Sabers -
Power Attack = 750 dmg w/o AB; 900dmg w/o AB +KD; 1k dmg w/AB; 1.2k dmg w/AB +KD
HeadHit = 500 dmg w/o AB; 750 dmg w/o AB +KD; 800dmg w/AB; 1k dmg w/AB +KD
Rifles
Advanced Critical Shot = 800 dmg w/o AB; 1k dmg w/o AB +KD; 1.4k dmg w/AB; 1.8k dmg w/AB +KD
Sniper Shot = 1.4k dmg w/o AB; 2k dmg w/o AB +KD; 2.2k dmg w/AB; 3k+ dmg w/AB+KD
After comparing PA to SS and HH to AC, we clearly see that the Saber wins the day.
Message Edited by esfnighthawk on 09-06-2005 02:20 PM
Jacella wrote:
Then why do I beat these templates 100% of the time??
esfnighthawk wrote:
Lol, read down a little further. I said you can be Swords/TK/CM and be better than any Jedi. I was simply pointing out the fact that everyone gets what we have. Come on now, you've been playing this game for around 1 year now, you know better than to say we have all the cool stuff no one else has. That's just not true. I can't even hold an aggro for long because someone else will outdamage me. But I'm tired of arguing, so I'm just going to agree with everyone and say that Sabers are the uber.
Best Attacks:
Sabers -
Power Attack = 750 dmg w/o AB; 900dmg w/o AB +KD; 1k dmg w/AB; 1.2k dmg w/AB +KD
HeadHit = 500 dmg w/o AB; 750 dmg w/o AB +KD; 800dmg w/AB; 1k dmg w/AB +KD
Rifles
Advanced Critical Shot = 800 dmg w/o AB; 1k dmg w/o AB +KD; 1.4k dmg w/AB; 1.8k dmg w/AB +KD
Sniper Shot = 1.4k dmg w/o AB; 2k dmg w/o AB +KD; 2.2k dmg w/AB; 3k+ dmg w/AB+KD
After comparing PA to SS and HH to AC, we clearly see that the Saber wins the day.
Message Edited by esfnighthawk on 09-06-200502:20 PM
Message Edited by esfnighthawk on 09-06-2005 02:35 PM
vs CL80 mobs a rifle can easilly outdo a saber.. the sabers min damage means little vs such mobs as you hit at about your average dam or a little higher
vs a CL94 nekrosis or in PvP a saber is still the better weapon due to the fact the rifle has alot of damage mitigated (by defencive mods and CL mods due to its wide damage range) and the saber doesnt
xur-soma wrote:
i understand that but point is not why ranged need AB they dont! my point is i will out dmg that gun any day of the week w/ my saber 75% AB or not i dueled our guild leader with a full set of mando all with 75% AB I had no problems ....
the point is a good saber will do will more! dmg than that gun....
Again, yes and no.
A saber will outdamage someone with that weaponIF :
1) the Jedi does not at least have xx4x Defender
2) the person with the Rifle has low accuracy.
As I explained before I can get my accuracy above 750 with my BH/Rifleman alt.
Will that be enough for all Jedi, probably not as you have to account for those Jedi who use food before they are actively engaged in a fight. But the majority of the time Jedi ONLY have Aura up. This means a Master Defender has the same defense as my Accuracy. Anything less than Master Defender or 444x will die more often than not.
My rifle with a PU is 645-1300+ but honestly why even use a damage PU. Using a speed PU with a Doc buff, Advanced Sniper shot, K/D, Advanced Critcal, HeadShot.....I can kill a Jedi before they even knew I was there. Not saying it works all the time but neither will just relying on Aura 