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Thread: As if saber damage wasn't bad enough. --STEALTH NERF #295295252--
However it only lasts for 2 mins and can be used once an hour. Don't know what happens if you get 30 of these, but I doubt that's economical
New jedi need to learn what us old pros have experienced forever... Now lets all sing the jedi theme song:
PLEASE! MR. DEV Don't nerf me!
Ah well, we are as near to a normal profession as we have ever been now. I use my ab immunity crystal against the swordsman bh, and they do the same to me.
damn you really must have some shocking lucky i'm post cu (only 2week old jedi i'm on 500 - 600dmg all with post cu crystals i've farmed from eldars prior to pub24, maybe good pearls aren't as good as good crystals
scipio77 wrote:
min dmg of a good lser is 600dmg, max is 700 (approx figures)
add in elemental of 215 (elemental is based on the quality of your other enhancers to the max of 250 on a perfect sabre)
therefore a lightsabre has 815 - 915dmg
now we do some further numbers, suit's of armor worn by bh's are 8k energy+ 6000elemental, now consideing 1/3 of our dmg is elemental we are hitting for alot more through armor than if it was all energy
now you might say look at the max dmg we can do, i'll let you know a secret about the cu, the dmg is all based on minimum because no matter how high they stack their defences it'll still go no lower than the minimum dmg. So the point is lightsabre's by far have the highest minimum dmg. Don't look at dps that figure means' absolutely nothing.
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wow- Im sorry but your ingorance of lightsabers and jedi is apparent. Only pre-cu jedi have what your talking about.
Also lightsaber crafting got a stealth nerf sometime post cu and that 600 number for the newer jedi is currently way out of reality.
I challange anyone who talks about sabers outdamaging the typical bh weapons we see used against us to show us in the combat logs where we outdamage.
Post CU jedi win cause we outheal not because of sabers.
Ive seen bh heal around 1k to 1.3 to 1.4 jedi with 4000 can heal 1500.
When you look at the numbers our slightly better healing slowly chips away at you.
Case in point when jedi had shorter heal timmer and no action mind cost me were able to much better handle the bh. Now with those nerfs its much more even playing field.
Your numbers are correct from a pre cu point of view but just dont reflect the reality that most active post cu jedi face.
In closing I would also say that the saber i built with junk resourses just after the cu I cant even replecate now using servers best resourses, port, ls suit in a research city.
Dont worry i wont even brink up the jedi healer rifleman templates we saw early on post cu before they nerfed that.
Goarev wrote:
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umm to the bh in here quoting sabre stats
there are maybe 30 sabres per server with stats like that the rest are shat
destrkta wrote:let's do some numbers then shall we, since your oh so smart
Krun1 wrote:
destrkta wrote:
actually not everything is immune in the dwb, i know we were armorbreak battle droids (supers were immune) and black suns as well. and if you really believe sabre dmg is the lowest in the game you have no understanding, some specials in other normal professions allow their dmg to go higher but in general sabres are the most powerful item in the game. Learn the game mechanis' b4 you continue whining
Lol!! The fact that jedi do more damage than chefs, and tailors doesn't count. Sabre dmg is among the lowest in the game...at least post CU. But you can say whatever you want....It's laughable.
min dmg of a good lser is 600dmg, max is 700 (approx figures)
add in elemental of 215 (elemental is based on the quality of your other enhancers to the max of 250 on a perfect sabre)
therefore a lightsabre has 815 - 915dmg
now we do some further numbers, suit's of armor worn by bh's are 8k energy+ 6000elemental, now consideing 1/3 of our dmg is elemental we are hitting for alot more through armor than if it was all energy
now you might say look at the max dmg we can do, i'll let you know a secret about the cu, the dmg is all based on minimum because no matter how high they stack their defences it'll still go no lower than the minimum dmg. So the point is lightsabre's by far have the highest minimum dmg. Don't look at dps that figure means' absolutely nothing.
but your logic fails you in OH so many ways....
to HAVE that nice saber that you are talking about that has great stats you would have had to have been a PvP'ing pearl camping Jedi pre-CU.
Luckily, I spent a month farming pearls before the CU but others are not so lucky....
a psot CU saber, including elemental dmg is around I'd say 600-700....and that's while neglecting your Force costs.
Sure we have the potential for great dmg, but it is unattainable for most.
Big Deal.
Now you have to hit armor break a few times before it sticks.
Took about 3 times on average on level 88.
destrkta wrote:let's do some numbers then shall we, since your oh so smart
Krun1 wrote:
destrkta wrote:
actually not everything is immune in the dwb, i know we were armorbreak battle droids (supers were immune) and black suns as well. and if you really believe sabre dmg is the lowest in the game you have no understanding, some specials in other normal professions allow their dmg to go higher but in general sabres are the most powerful item in the game. Learn the game mechanis' b4 you continue whining
Lol!! The fact that jedi do more damage than chefs, and tailors doesn't count. Sabre dmg is among the lowest in the game...at least post CU. But you can say whatever you want....It's laughable.
min dmg of a good lser is 600dmg, max is 700 (approx figures)
add in elemental of 215 (elemental is based on the quality of your other enhancers to the max of 250 on a perfect sabre)
therefore a lightsabre has 815 - 915dmg
now we do some further numbers, suit's of armor worn by bh's are 8k energy+ 6000elemental, now consideing 1/3 of our dmg is elemental we are hitting for alot more through armor than if it was all energy
now you might say look at the max dmg we can do, i'll let you know a secret about the cu, the dmg is all based on minimum because no matter how high they stack their defences it'll still go no lower than the minimum dmg. So the point is lightsabre's by far have the highest minimum dmg. Don't look at dps that figure means' absolutely nothing.
Where can I get one of those sabers? I do not complain about the weakness of my saber, as it will get me no where. But please, do some research, and find out what the ave saber POST CU is. You will find the Max dam is around 575. min closer to 450. Not to mention, I can't speed, dam, or sac slice my saber. I can get my 5 mil carb to fire every second with the speed PuP. I'm also MLS and coulnd't come anywhere near hitting that fast.
SurgeLestat wrote:
Big Deal.
Now you have to hit armor break a few times before it sticks.
Took about 3 times on average on level 88.
But not when they are +IMMUNE+
I ran into quite a few of them on the Avatar and the Blackscale compound.
Iakimo wrote:
destrkta wrote:
let's do some numbers then shall we, since your oh so smart
min dmg of a good lser is 600dmg, max is 700 (approx figures)
add in elemental of 215 (elemental is based on the quality of your other enhancers to the max of 250 on a perfect sabre)
therefore a lightsabre has 815 - 915dmg
now we do some further numbers, suit's of armor worn by bh's are 8k energy+ 6000 elemental, now considering 1/3 of our dmg is elemental we are hitting for alot more through armor than if it was all energy
now you might say look at the max dmg we can do, i'll let you know a secret about the cu, the dmg is all based on minimum because no matter how high they stack their defences it'll still go no lower than the minimum dmg. So the point is lightsabre's by far have the highest minimum dmg. Don't look at dps that figure means' absolutely nothing.
Okay, so let's feed in the numbers of a typical post-CU saber -- my two.
SABER #1: Damage 461-557, with 167 points of elemental (Heat) damage and force cost of 36.
SABER #2: Damage 305-400, with 100 points of elemental (Cold) damage and force cost of 20.
Saber #2 is typical of the level of damage of most post-CU Jedi I know. I've passed many pearls and crystals on to others who had even worse sabers than mine.
saber #2 is definately not a average saber. Saber 2 is just a 2nd generation saber.
The first one sucks too. Even as a post cu saber.
Mistwaver wrote:
All I can say for now is: Bring a SL with you.
They've got buffs that increase your damage, give you a chance to score a critical hit, and allows you to bypass a portion of enemy armor. That more than makes up for AB immunity on high end mobs.
Hey! Conceptual thinking! But it is funny that a majority will go with the default 'I'm quitting/cancelling' threat instead of finding a way around it. Wish most of them wouldn't simply threaten and would actually follow through with it.
Krun1 wrote:
destrkta wrote:
actually not everything is immune in the dwb, i know we were armorbreak battle droids (supers were immune) and black suns as well. and if you really believe sabre dmg is the lowest in the game you have no understanding, some specials in other normal professions allow their dmg to go higherbut in general sabres are the most powerful item in the game. Learn the game mechanis' b4 you continue whining
Lol!! The fact that jedi do more damage than chefs, and tailors doesn't count. Sabre dmg is among the lowest in the game...at least post CU. But you can say whatever you want....It's laughable.
u didnt get his point.. Its not only the damage that matters, But our Specials modifier... EX: Power atacks does a great amount of damage, Jedi's Special's modifiers are great. Only loosing to the new SL stuff and Sniping Shot.