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Fantastic work mate.

Question:

I equip my saber without CA clothes and the description shows mod speed = 1.42

I put the clothes on (+7 saber speed and +9 gen melee speed) and the description = 1.36

So from what you are saying, even though I see the difference listed, I am not actually getting the result?

(An aside....notice that this +16 to speed nets me 6/100ths of a second speed mod, a difference I would be hard pressed to see in testing or actual combat)

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Liani wrote:

Question:

I equip my saber without CA clothes and the description shows mod speed = 1.42

I put the clothes on (+7 saber speed and +9 gen melee speed) and the description = 1.36

So from what you are saying, even though I see the difference listed, I am not actually getting the result?

(An aside....notice that this +16 to speed nets me 6/100ths of a second speed mod, a difference I would be hard pressed to see in testing or actual combat)

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What I'm saying is that, for lightsaber specials other than Saber Hit, the system ignores your modified speed and instead uses the base speed of your lightsaber. I guarantee you that if you ran my tests, your saber would take far longer than 13-14 seconds to make ten attacks. (I can also introduce you to any number of pistoleers able to attack 10 times in 11 seconds....)

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rctatu wrote:

Not that everything has conspiracies, but what I have read; whereas,the solution may not difficult to fix. Considering that as a possiblity (intentally broke); we could assume, that there is a reason why LS is currently they way it is and intended. If The speed was fix what would happen?If you can answer thatthen we can conclude that is why it is not fixed. Just a thought. Dumb one but a thought nonetheless.

Message Edited by rctatu on 08-06-2005 10:29 AM

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The problem with your question is that Saber Hit and all attacks for every other weapon in the game use effective speed. Many, many ranged specialists (Pistoleers, Carbineers, Riflemen) push their weapons to or almost to the hard cap of 1.0 speed, and end up actually attacking once every second.

I cannot claim to read the developers' minds, but if RIFLES are allowed to attack every second, I rather doubt it's intended that lightsabers be limited to half that rate of attack.

I bet they don't fix it.

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Taliesyn42 wrote:

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rctatu wrote:

Not that everything has conspiracies, but what I have read; whereas,the solution may not difficult to fix. Considering that as a possiblity (intentally broke); we could assume, that there is a reason why LS is currently they way it is and intended. If The speed was fix what would happen?If you can answer thatthen we can conclude that is why it is not fixed. Just a thought. Dumb one but a thought nonetheless.

Message Edited by rctatu on 08-06-2005 10:29 AM

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The problem with your question is that Saber Hit and all attacks for every other weapon in the game use effective speed. Many, many ranged specialists (Pistoleers, Carbineers, Riflemen) push their weapons to or almost to the hard cap of 1.0 speed, and end up actually attacking once every second.

I cannot claim to read the developers' minds, but if RIFLES are allowed to attack every second, I rather doubt it's intended that lightsabers be limited to half that rate of attack.

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I do not want to continue on the path of assuming, uncomfortable. A lot of ppl believe jedi are 'unbalanced' and due being a 'overpowered profession'. To answer the question, what would happen if the DEV's fix effective speed on LS, it will only make LS better. Which I am not sure if that is acceptable. Your right in pointing out that we cannot read the minds of the developers' minds or there intentions. Communication bridge is broke too.

excellent post. Thx for researching this.

Here's a post i posted a while back, on the same issue (i believe bracicca did forward it to the devs)maybe its helpfull input for the thread:

• My base speed of my saber is 2.71 seconds (thats inc pearls/crystal speed mods)


• I have MLS, and FS melee speed, giving me a total of 132 speed (100 LS, 32 General)


• My modded speed of my saberis 1.6 seconds (this is base speed - (130 LS speed))


• Then i wrote a macro which alterates between three moves, head, body and leg hit, with a pause between those 3 ..

is this just the speed cas that arent being applies or are accuracy CAs not being applied either? my friend and i tested this and accuracy dont seem to be applying either :/

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isildurofwanderhome wrote:
is this just the speed cas that arent being applies or are accuracy CAs not being applied either? my friend and i tested this and accuracy dont seem to be applying either :/

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Its not just the CA's its the ENTIRE LS profession mods that are not being applied! Novice LS hits as fast as a Master LS!

CA's are a second thing that are not applied (as they increase the profession mods, which in turn are not applied)

Accuracy CA's i've always found to be working .. slight dmg increase using my +20 acc ca's when hitting mid level npc's (with our high min dmg the difference isnt so huge for increased acc)

Im turning this thread into petition! make this #1 jedi issue for the next publish! /sign!

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Taliesyn42 wrote:

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Liani wrote:

Question:

I equip my saber without CA clothes and the description shows mod speed = 1.42

I put the clothes on (+7 saber speed and +9 gen melee speed) and the description = 1.36

So from what you are saying, even though I see the difference listed, I am not actually getting the result?

(An aside....notice that this +16 to speed nets me 6/100ths of a second speed mod, a difference I would be hard pressed to see in testing or actual combat)

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What I'm saying is that, for lightsaber specials other than Saber Hit, the system ignores your modified speed and instead uses the base speed of your lightsaber. I guarantee you that if you ran my tests, your saber would take far longer than 13-14 seconds to make ten attacks. (I can also introduce you to any number of pistoleers able to attack 10 times in 11 seconds....)

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this is absolutely correct.....i have tried it multiple times and the results have been the same.

this is a geinious discovery IMHO.../deepbow.

way to go man, but sadly i fear the dev team will do nothing, i have a gut feeling they knew about it from the start and dont believe any one out there is inteligent enough to figure it out...but you my friend have force feed them that notion right back...awsome job!

now that we all know know about this...what are you all prepaired to do about it? just sit back and do nothing...i think not...we have the evidence...we know where it lies...there is no disputing it now. so lets not just sit back and let it go unresolved..

There's actually a test performed by a pistoleer that shows the same thing; The modified speed is not being taken into account when performing any special other than the basic.

The only excpetions to this is doc buffs or force speed, as these don't work of the aforementioned skill mods.