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Thread: Cloak Nerf Is Going To Ruin Alot Of Templates
Bigbenz
Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:31 pm
#27
its a great thing.....
I love it when people cry Cus they cant cheat anymore
lol
I cant wait for them to balance AI in PVP.....
lordhan
Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:20 pm
#28
Ok what was so unbalancing about force cloak. Yeawe can cloak whenwe get 20m away and use it as a hit and run ability but cant master enhancers do basically the same thing?A master enhancercan stasis, force run away and come back. There is no counter to stasis soI am wondeirng why these jedi are worried about cloak users in frs. To me it looks like people want a counter to everything powers has. I always used cloak as intended. If they would fix the exploits of looting and maybe also stop jedi from channeling or meditating while cloaked then the problem couldbe resolved. The only thing different between powersusing cloakand enhancers using stasis and force runis that one is invisible while running away.
Fugitron
Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:54 pm
#29
Guess you know how Master Defenders felt when the Nerfed AI. Welcome to the club.
cmreeves wrote:
I am not sure if you guys agree with me on this, but SOE nerfing cloak is going to screw up alot of templates. Right now cloak is the only thing that is worth anything in the whole powers tree. I hope they give powers users or dabblers the opportunity to respec after giving them the shaft and runing their templates. It is sad because Jedi is getting weaker and being nerfed weekly now. I hope SOE has a plan on how they are going to deal with this. Also if cloak never worked the way it was suppose to, why the hell did they wait so long to correct it. I will tell you why, because SOE does not like their customers to get to comfortable with something before they start swinging the NERF bat. That is why.
This is my 2 cents. What are you guy's views on this?
lordhan
Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:26 pm
#30
But this is alot different. Similar in that they are both main specials in the two trees, however, defender has alot of defenses to help out. Powers, on the other hand, has zero defenses and not so good offense. Cloak was a means for powers to get away and if they are snared and cant heal then they are dead basically. It is known that people are still using area attacks to attack power users and follow them around dishing out damage tothem. With snare there is no possible way to escape. I never thought that it was needed for avoid incap to be nerfed. I thought that it workedjust as it should. WhatI don't like seeing is how many defenders and enhancer jedi's all support the nerf. It is funny that jedi'sare themain ones that call for other jedi nerfs that end up destroying one another's templates.
DeadMoonRising
Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:49 pm
#31
more nerfs, the more clones there will be... Break all skills but a few trees so everyone plays that temp then they'll only have to write FRS script for that template... ITS A CONSPIRACY! **glances around then picks up files and cloaks** oh wait that wont work anymore
Drazharr
Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:52 pm
#32
Greddy wrote:
I am not sure if you guys agree with me on this, but SOE nerfing cloak is going to screw up alot of templates. Right now cloak is the only thing that is worth anything in the whole powers tree. I hope they give powers users or dabblers the opportunity to respec after giving them the shaft and runing their templates. It is sad because Jedi is getting weaker and being nerfed weekly now. I hope SOE has a plan on how they are going to deal with this. Also if cloak never worked the way it was suppose to, why the hell did they wait so long to correct it. I will tell you why, because SOE does not like their customers to get to comfortable with something before they start swinging the NERF bat. That is why.
This is my 2 cents. What are you guy's views on this?
of course you wont get a respec. did you see respec when fs skill usefulness was changed? no the only reason they gave it to us with cu was because it was such a mayjor change in the game, a simple nerf doesnt mean anything. Respecs were a one off, stop trying to whie and ask for them every thime something gets changed. as one guy said it says experience may change during play. Mabari armour belt wearers take note.
Just regrind your template, put some work into jedi rather than whine about respec
Hey, I've worked for more than two years to get what I have, bro. And you just wanna make me keep ongrinding and grinding forever and ever? Is that what you are telling all of us?
Sure am glad I have a token respec left. Hope to goodness they don't take that away, too.
Tarja-
Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:53 pm
#33
it needs to be nerfed, end of story. perma overt and FRS this ability would just not work
Drazharr
Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:53 pm
#34
Yep, this is exactly what's happening here - the same thing that happened to Avoid Incap. That was wrong and this cloak nerf is wrong, too.
Fugitron wrote:
Guess you know how Master Defenders felt when the Nerfed AI. Welcome to the club.
cmreeves wrote:
I am not sure if you guys agree with me on this, but SOE nerfing cloak is going to screw up alot of templates. Right now cloak is the only thing that is worth anything in the whole powers tree. I hope they give powers users or dabblers the opportunity to respec after giving them the shaft and runing their templates. It is sad because Jedi is getting weaker and being nerfed weekly now. I hope SOE has a plan on how they are going to deal with this. Also if cloak never worked the way it was suppose to, why the hell did they wait so long to correct it. I will tell you why, because SOE does not like their customers to get to comfortable with something before they start swinging the NERF bat. That is why.
This is my 2 cents. What are you guy's views on this?
Drazharr
Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:55 pm
#35
Tarja- wrote:
it needs to be nerfed, end of story. perma overt and FRS this ability would just not work
That's providing FRS will be the same as it was before. And if it is, you better be a MLS/Master Defender in the FRS or you will surely die.
Is that what you want? All MLS/Master Defenders in the FRS?
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-17-2005 11:56 PM
Tarja-
Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:59 pm
#36
Drazharr wrote:
Tarja- wrote:
it needs to be nerfed, end of story. perma overt and FRS this ability would just not work
That's providing FRS will be the same as it was before. And if it is, you better be a MLS/Master Defender in the FRS or you will surely die.
Is that what you want? All MLS/Master Defenders in the FRS?
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-17-2005 11:56 PM
SOE's change to quest based jedi grinding was the village, do a quest and then grind just as before. i doubt itl change alot.
and how would MLS/Mdef be better in FRS? my PvP rating was 1900 before i droped cloak, being able to pick and choose your fights is bad enough, imagine that with perma overt. and i don't think changing cloak is gonna make everyone MLS/Mdef lol.
your right, being able to run 20 meters and turn on god mode is fair.
Message Edited by Tarja- on 09-17-2005 09:01 PM
Drazharr
Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:17 pm
#37
Tarja- wrote:
Drazharr wrote:
Tarja- wrote:
it needs to be nerfed, end of story. perma overt and FRS this ability would just not work
That's providing FRS will be the same as it was before. And if it is, you better be a MLS/Master Defender in the FRS or you will surely die.
Is that what you want? All MLS/Master Defenders in the FRS?
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-17-200511:56 PM
SOE's change to quest based jedi grinding was the village, do a quest and then grind just as before. i doubt itl change alot.
and how would MLS/Mdef be better in FRS? my PvP rating was 1900 before i droped cloak, being able to pick and choose your fights is bad enough, imagine that with perma overt. and i don't think changing cloak is gonna make everyone MLS/Mdef lol.
your right, being able to run 20 meters and turn on god mode is fair.
Message Edited by Tarja- on 09-17-200509:01 PM
Lol, with this cloak nerf, why in the world would you want to be a Master Powers in the FRS? The only two good things in the entire Powers tree is cloak and choke. So with Powers useless, you need to get MLS to attack anything, be it PvP, PvE or FRS. If you can't run away while cloaked, then you'll just stand there while your force fritters away and die - much like the effect you get by using Avoid Incap now.
Now let's consider Master Enhancer. Lotsa good things in there, I agree, and some of them can get enhanced if the FRS is the same as it was. But they are not gonna get enhanced enough to make a difference against a MLS/Master Defender. The MLS/Master Defender just has too much protection in the FRS when he gets his additional block, coupled with Vayerbok, Valor and Pikatta Pie.
And Master Healer? Don't be ridiculous.
So yeah, if things stand as they are now, coupled with this cloak nerf, yes, MLS/MDef is the way to go now, baby.
Kycia
Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:18 pm
#38
cmreeves wrote:
I am not sure if you guys agree with me on this, but SOE nerfing cloak is going to screw up alot of templates. Right now cloak is the only thing that is worth anything in the whole powers tree. I hope they give powers users or dabblers the opportunity to respec after giving them the shaft and runing their templates. It is sad because Jedi is getting weaker and being nerfed weekly now. I hope SOE has a plan on how they are going to deal with this. Also if cloak never worked the way it was suppose to, why the hell did they wait so long to correct it. I will tell you why, because SOE does not like their customers to get to comfortable with something before they start swinging the NERF bat. That is why.
This is my 2 cents. What are you guy's views on this?
**edit** happens
Drazharr
Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:30 pm
#39
And the **edit** is this cloak nerf.
Kycia wrote:
cmreeves wrote:
I am not sure if you guys agree with me on this, but SOE nerfing cloak is going to screw up alot of templates. Right now cloak is the only thing that is worth anything in the whole powers tree. I hope they give powers users or dabblers the opportunity to respec after giving them the shaft and runing their templates. It is sad because Jedi is getting weaker and being nerfed weekly now. I hope SOE has a plan on how they are going to deal with this. Also if cloak never worked the way it was suppose to, why the hell did they wait so long to correct it. I will tell you why, because SOE does not like their customers to get to comfortable with something before they start swinging the NERF bat. That is why.
This is my 2 cents. What are you guy's views on this?
**edit** happens
