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Thread: Thunderheart's Response to FRS and Crystals/Pearls

AnzelVincir
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:21 am
#27






trajen2 wrote:






AnzelVincir wrote:





trajen2 wrote:





AnzelVincir wrote:



Trajan? As in the guy who built the Forum?








Yes but with a differnt spelling (i believe TrajAn wasalready taken) . . . a brilliant militaty commander who evolved into a great civilian-emperor. . . one of the "good"







Very cool. If I could go back to college I would definitely study history instead of CS. CS was great but as an adult I find myself reading and watching history related stuff more and more. I have no idea why it fascinates me so much.


Trajan seems to me like the Roman version of Eisenhower but I'm not versed enough to make the comparison. What's really cool is that Trajan is noted for building (or odering the construction of) the Forum. Get it? Forum?






yah i had a brief affair with classical Archaeology before moving to pre-columbian anthropology, and then to Psychology....now I manage an IT department






Oh jeez. I studies CS then did my CNE, then MCSE, then MCSD, now I'm reading everything I can history-wise. First WWII stuff, now Roman. Looks like we just ran right by each other. Was that you I just saw going the other way?




AnzelZenalXenalXahnAgrippina
Bloodfin_Architect
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:27 am
#28


What does this mean? The inference is that the:


FRS : Not Part of the ToW Expansion

Crystal / Pearl Drop Fix : Not Part of the ToW Expansion

Additional Jedi Nerfs / Changes: Not Open for Discussion

Jedi Skills in Gerneral : Not Addressed in the ToW Expansion


Okay, I can understand this respnonse since the Dev's want to concentrate on bugs within the actual expansion itself. But if that is the case, why are there any changes to any professions included in the Beta test? Are there really two seperate issues here?



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Va-Mei
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:52 am
#29






iskareot wrote:







There is crystals out there that tune decent so at least you have somthing to do. So that you know it takes about 120 or so tunes to get 4 damn near perfect tunes from pearls so its not it would be a lay down for you to get perfects, learn and adapt that is Jedi in this game more then anything at this point.





I don't wanna whine too loud, but I've thrown away more than 100 post-CU pearls to get my 631 max damage 32fc saber. I'm not gonna even go into how many crystals I've thrown out. Pre-CU, I didn't expectthere tobe a nerf to the pearls, so Iplayed the game and ground FS, secure in the thought that killing 95% energy resist Krayts will be easer with even a weak saber than a rifle.Doh...


In Jedi vs The World, I'll take the problems with the pearl drops in stride and go about my business knowing that I'm weaker than the Sword/Doc standing next to me. I can still play my character within it's limitations and I can always run from the BHs(for the moment).


When it comes to me standing toe-to toe with a Pre-Cu Jedi, tell me I don't have a serious problem on my hands...


/shrug self

Costello
Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:56 am
#30

TH surely cant be that stupid to think that testing an expansion with equipment that isnt available in game and may never be againand as a toon that isnt available in the game and may never be again is relevant to the testing of the expansion. Jedi are once again being given the shaft and if they know how big a problem all this is why are they ignoring it to worry about releasing another expansion that other than uber loot wh*res no one really cares too much about. Sure another planet is nice but its hardly a bigger things than all the inbalances and nerf and bugs in the game at the moment.



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trajen2
Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:00 am
#31






Bloodfin_Architect wrote:



Okay, I can understand this respnonse since the Dev's want to concentrate on bugs within the actual expansion itself. But if that is the case, why are there any changes to any professions included in the Beta test? Are there really two seperate issues here?





Yes. two different issues.


There is the expansion and there is the revamp of Squad Leader and Commando which are part of the beta as well. The SL buff changes effect the jedi in that as part of the SL buff / debuff system, jedi buffs are effected. Its hard ot explain but similar ot how they described the cloak changes as falling into the rules of ranger / rifleman camo/ cover





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Barb-Wire
Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:11 am
#32






Bloodfin_Architect wrote:


What does this mean? The inference is that the:


FRS : Not Part of the ToW Expansion

Crystal / Pearl Drop Fix : Not Part of the ToW Expansion

Additional Jedi Nerfs / Changes: Not Open for Discussion

Jedi Skills in Gerneral : Not Addressed in the ToW Expansion


Okay, I can understand this respnonse since the Dev's want to concentrate on bugs within the actual expansion itself. But if that is the case, why are there any changes to any professions included in the Beta test? Are there really two seperate issues here?





what it means is that the TCforums are the approriate place for such things. that is where the changes for squad leader jedi etc are being discussed.


there are SOME beta issues with CH and other professions such as babies on mustafer and other items that are unique to mustafar and hence being discussed in the beta boards. but those are rare and always on topic or the post gets poofed.


the issues related to jedi and other classes are being discussed in the TC forums under patch 24 issues. patch 24 also happens to be live on mustafar in the exapnasion beta.



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iskareot
Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:02 pm
#33






AnzelVincir wrote:


I had asked this in the BETA forums a few days ago and this was the response by TH.


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AnzelVincir wrote:

1.) Knight Trials and FRS: People are building Jedi on the frogs and doing the Knight Trials. Does this mean that the Knight Trials are going to be re-opened? If not then we have quite a few people wasing valuable test time. If yes then please let us know so we can test them. What is the status of the FRS and the Knight Trials? Are they currently being worked on? Can you tell us anything on the subject?

2.) Crystals and Pearl: Currently the frogs are handing out flawless pearls like candy. People are assuming that this means they will be back in the game along with (maybe even independant to) the expansion. Rumors are everywhere as this is a game-breaking issue for so many players that have invested enormous amounts of time and money on SWG. What is the status of Sabers, crystal/pearl drops, and tuning? Is this being worked on? Do you have a timeframe? Is there anything you can tell us on the subject?

3.) Recent Nerfs: Can you please let us know which Jedi abilities have had additional costs applied? Can we have a list? What is the status of AI? Will the snare be removed or will the cost be reduced to that of Aura or FA? What's happening?
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None of these items are part of the ToW beta test.

We understand that these are important issues and we will discuss them with the community at some point, but not at this time and not on these forums.

Please keep discussions focused on the ToW Beta Test.

Thank You.


Kurt "Thunderheart" Stangl
Community Relations Manager






What's peculiar about this is that some pretty heavy duty changes are being made to the Commando and Creature Handler Professions and they are being rolled into the BETA forums and the TC2 patches. In addition, there have been at least two rounds of nerfs (The AI nerf, additional action costs to healing, etc.) to Jedi.


Guarr posted a thread stating concerns about the nerfs which has gone unanswered as well.





What I like was the part about Pearls being game breaking lol...


Now listen, I hate telling you this but by far loot drops in a whole are broke-- but please dont say the non pearl drops are game breaking. That is not true at all.


The Knight trials were the old ones... I know alot of the people may not have known this due to only a few of us have been lucky enough to have our Jedi in most of the betas -- I do respect it that I have and give feedback privately. I can tell you that there is more to all of these things then you know right now Im sure but soon we will get the info we need and at least you can love it or leave it. Do what TH says and you will be alot better off though. I fiugred that out after the beta of the game itself.





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AnzelVincir
Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:38 pm
#34







iskareot wrote:





AnzelVincir wrote:


I had asked this in the BETA forums a few days ago and this was the response by TH.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AnzelVincir wrote:

1.) Knight Trials and FRS: People are building Jedi on the frogs and doing the Knight Trials. Does this mean that the Knight Trials are going to be re-opened? If not then we have quite a few people wasing valuable test time. If yes then please let us know so we can test them. What is the status of the FRS and the Knight Trials? Are they currently being worked on? Can you tell us anything on the subject?

2.) Crystals and Pearl: Currently the frogs are handing out flawless pearls like candy. People are assuming that this means they will be back in the game along with (maybe even independant to) the expansion. Rumors are everywhere as this is a game-breaking issue for so many players that have invested enormous amounts of time and money on SWG. What is the status of Sabers, crystal/pearl drops, and tuning? Is this being worked on? Do you have a timeframe? Is there anything you can tell us on the subject?

3.) Recent Nerfs: Can you please let us know which Jedi abilities have had additional costs applied? Can we have a list? What is the status of AI? Will the snare be removed or will the cost be reduced to that of Aura or FA? What's happening?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------






None of these items are part of the ToW beta test.

We understand that these are important issues and we will discuss them with the community at some point, but not at this time and not on these forums.

Please keep discussions focused on the ToW Beta Test.

Thank You.


Kurt "Thunderheart" Stangl
Community Relations Manager






What's peculiar about this is that some pretty heavy duty changes are being made to the Commando and Creature Handler Professions and they are being rolled into the BETA forums and the TC2 patches. In addition, there have been at least two rounds of nerfs (The AI nerf, additional action costs to healing, etc.) to Jedi.


Guarr posted a thread stating concerns about the nerfs which has gone unanswered as well.





What I like was the part about Pearls being game breaking lol...


Yeah, real funny huh. I can buy a weapon off of the bazaar for my other characters but I'm told to shut up and wait on the character that costs 450 million XP. Real funny indeed.


Now listen, I hate telling you this but by far loot drops in a whole are broke-- but please dont say the non pearl drops are game breaking. That is not true at all.


I have no idea what you're talking about on this one. Everybody knows about the other loot drops. What does that have to do with my post?


The Knight trials were the old ones... I know alot of the people may not have known this due to only a few of us have been lucky enough to have our Jedi in most of the betas -- I do respect it that I have and give feedback privately. I can tell you that there is more to all of these things then you know right now Im sure but soon we will get the info we need and at least you can love it or leave it. Do what TH says and you will be alot better off though. I fiugred that out after the beta of the game itself.


Not sure about all of that. We are the ones paying here. They are making a video game not ICBMS. It's not a matter of National Security. They are just afraid to talk about what's going on for fear of even more people quitting. 75% of the players who have purchased SWG have since quit. I wonder why ^^.







Message Edited by AnzelVincir on 10-11-2005 08:38 AM




AnzelZenalXenalXahnAgrippina
Bloodfin_Architect
Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:22 am
#35

what it means is that the TCforums are the approriate place for such things. that is where the changes for squad leader jedi etc are being discussed.

there are SOME beta issues with CH and other professions such as babies on mustafer and other items that are unique to mustafar and hence being discussed in the beta boards.But those are rare and always on topic or the post gets poofed.


the issues related to jedi and other classes are being discussed in the TC forums under patch 24 issues. patch 24 also happens to be live on mustafar in the exapnasion beta.


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This may be the reason for so much confusion. A patch and an expansion coming out at rougly the same time; with the patch already applied to the beta servers. I think this is an example of why the SWG Community Relations and Developers get some well deserved criticism. Thunderheart could have simply alluded to such instead of the somewhat curt reply he gave. A simple, please address these issues in the TC forum would have been a bit more affective don't you think. There has been growing disontent in the Jedi forums for some time now over the most critical issues.The people who make the decisions aren't telling the community anything worthwhile, especially since so many problems are just dragging along without resolution. Evidently, they aren't telling are coro anything either, or at least anything he can tell us. We haven't seen a meaningful coro (not gripe fest) discussion thread on issues in some time. This of course leads to guessing, rumors, and distrust betweent the players and those who provide the game. This in turn has turned our forum into one giant gripe festusing a PaulBunyan sized flamethrower. Other professions are in a similar boat and some are finally getting some attention. IMO, if an issue has been on the radar for six months and their is no movement on resolving it, than its not considered urgent by the community relations and development team.


It may just be me, but it seems the developers have moved to an expansion modality instead of an in-game support system. We can see this in every profession, not just Jedi. I offer as an example every crafting profession in the game.Yes, Jedi are being ignored too!

Message Edited by Bloodfin_Architect on 10-11-2005 02:24 PM



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AnzelVincir
Thu Oct 20, 2005 8:12 am
#36

This response from TH and now Garva's "Shut up and take it" thread solidify the SOE policy of ignoring their customers and then telling them to **edit** when they ask to not be ignored. Priceless.




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AnzelVincir
Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:10 pm
#37






AnzelVincir wrote:


I had asked this in the BETA forums a few days ago and this was the response by TH.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
AnzelVincir wrote:

1.) Knight Trials and FRS: People are building Jedi on the frogs and doing the Knight Trials. Does this mean that the Knight Trials are going to be re-opened? If not then we have quite a few people wasing valuable test time. If yes then please let us know so we can test them. What is the status of the FRS and the Knight Trials? Are they currently being worked on? Can you tell us anything on the subject?

2.) Crystals and Pearl: Currently the frogs are handing out flawless pearls like candy. People are assuming that this means they will be back in the game along with (maybe even independant to) the expansion. Rumors are everywhere as this is a game-breaking issue for so many players that have invested enormous amounts of time and money on SWG. What is the status of Sabers, crystal/pearl drops, and tuning? Is this being worked on? Do you have a timeframe? Is there anything you can tell us on the subject?

3.) Recent Nerfs: Can you please let us know which Jedi abilities have had additional costs applied? Can we have a list? What is the status of AI? Will the snare be removed or will the cost be reduced to that of Aura or FA? What's happening?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------






None of these items are part of the ToW beta test.

We understand that these are important issues and we will discuss them with the community at some point, but not at this time and not on these forums.

Please keep discussions focused on the ToW Beta Test.

Thank You.


Kurt "Thunderheart" Stangl
Community Relations Manager






What's peculiar about this is that some pretty heavy duty changes are being made to the Commando and Creature Handler Professions and they are being rolled into the BETA forums and the TC2 patches. In addition, there have been at least two rounds of nerfs (The AI nerf, additional action costs to healing, etc.) to Jedi.


Guarr posted a thread stating concerns about the nerfs which has gone unanswered as well.






Wow, his answer makes so much sense now. They were basically in fear of addressing anything as to not give away the big secret...




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