Jedi Archive
Thread: Options for jedi population control?
Everytime a Jedi is fighting or healing in public (NPC cities/Starports) or a Jedi is cloaking, force run while in PvP, a value will be added to the Jedi's reputation amount. This amount can be checked by other players (or only BH's) with an examine command.
When the total amount goes over a set number, that Jedi will become more vulnerable to BH attacks. When the Jedi was killed by the BH, the amount decreases by a small number again!
I know now hundreds of Jedi will come scream, yell and cry at me but this would be one good way to at least decrease the proletarian Jedi behavior.
Every Jedi (from Padawan on) gets a default reputation value of 0! If such a Jedi is doing actions like fighting in a NPC city/Starport (both attack NPC and doing PvP) or is doing cloak or force run during PvP a penalty amount of 5 will be subtracted from his reputation value.
If the reputation value reaches 50 or below, the Jedi will loose the ability to use cloak/force run, if the value reaches 100 and below the Jedi will become more vulnerable to BH attacks.
For fairness (and RP) sake I agree there should be something that can raise the reputation value to positive too. But it will be difficult to decide which actions would influence that. Healing other players? No! That would mean that a Jedi can ask friends or use his alt to get wounded by purpose and use them to get positive again. There should be other ways to influence that!
Please be objective! This will be a given way to reduce antisocial Jedi behavior. I myself working at Jedi too and I would welcome such a system!
1st I would like to state that a Post like this from a BH is opend my eyes a bit. Not to often you see a BH post and it isn't a flame or nurf post. For that I comend you /clap /clap /clap 
I think the game should have been set, at relaese, after episode 6. That in mind would have mad thing that are hapening acceptable to a point. We could even have Jedi being trained by "Master" Luke himself and Kyle Katarrn. Then again there are things that couldn't be done. (ie Vader would be dead).
Now onto you main point here are my thoughts. Jedi should be rare and hard to achieve. It should be an accomplishment. Then again it should also be worth getting. When SWG started Jedi was a 100% mystery on how to unlock it.Then when the 1st Jedi was unlocked people figured out how to do it. Thus the massive holo grinders or the 32 profession grinders. Then pub 10 Came around to try and make Jedi harder to get. In turn it made it quite the opposite. Granted they have made things a bit harder but it just made the grind a tinsy bit longer. Before Pub 9 Jedi were all over but in full comp armor. Now they are all over in robes or BE clothing.
Now your thought about skill loss is a good one IMO. The time frame is even sufficent. It would cut back the amount of Jedi running around as much. I myself hardly use my Jedi anymore. Mainly cause of so many issues with itI guess.
Jargal wrote:
I want a serious, calm, non-offending discussion about the options for jedi population control.
Post your thoughts here, if you dont think the overpopualtion is an issue, if you think it is and what you think can be done.
My personal opinion is that this is an major issue for SWG. The overpopulaion has gravitated the game away from timeline, unbalanced pvp and ruined GCW. It also makes any SW-roleplaying impossible since jedis are in the middle of most large cities duelling in large numbers. It also make people to grind jedi rather than other, regularprofessions, which makes some regular professions more rare than jedi should be. All content is consumed by jedi issues right now. And the coming jedi expansion (TOW) wont make this better. I know that 55% of all BH is a jedi alt. It could mean that a large majority (60%+)of all players of SWGare jedi today.Jedi has become the most common profession it seems.
Jedi should be hard to reach and be a very rare profession the devs said when jedi came into game. Today its none of those.
Since we have a large inflow of jedi in SWG, we need an outflow too. Todays theres no outflow of jedi and they never vanish from game, just keep getting ebayed. That means they just keep mutiplying.
My solution is a form of permadeath. Permanent loss of all jedi skills (not items, credits, houses etc, etc) when DBd in pvp by BH or opposite faction jedi the 3rd time in a week. Three times since that would prevent getting PDd due to technical problems. If you suffer technical breakdown and get DBd, you just dont play your jedi for a while and get 3 new kills next week.
In fact I'd like to see not only jedi having a death penaltie, I'd like to see all professions have some kind of death penaltie, like xp loss or something. But jedi should have the PD, since theyr an alpha class.
Along with PD we need a server jedi populationcap to ensure we dont get jedi overpopulation again.
Im all in favor for makeing jedi stronger due to this changes, and that they should become more rare at the same time. I do not hate jedi, I actually like them. And I even like those who actually can roleplay them even more! They really add something really cool to this game! I know that theres alot of veteran jedi players that supports the idea of PD/population control out there, I hope they make thie voice heard now...
This is just my thoughts...
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The faster jedi population grows, the more will it be beaten by the nerf bat. I'm not a jedi hater, I'd like to see that jedi has some risk for the reward and honor for being jedi. As it is today jedi is getting nerfed by the day and honestly I dont see jedi as anything else than a regular profession with diffrent animations. And thats sad.
If I went jedi, I'd think of it as a extra thrill if there was a severe death penaltie for dying as jedi. I have nothing against permadeath. It would just make the game more intresting and add realism.
The more you cry to make jedi easier and eaiser the more will you get nerfed as your profession grow. I'm not debating on make jedi less powerful - quite the opposite - make them more powerful, but with greater risks.
Jargal wrote:
The faster jedi population grows, the more will it be beaten by the nerf bat. I'm not a jedi hater, I'd like to see that jedi has some risk for the reward and honor for being jedi. As it is today jedi is getting nerfed by the day and honestly I dont see jedi as anything else than a regular profession with diffrent animations. And thats sad.
If I went jedi, I'd think of it as a extra thrill if there was a severe death penaltie for dying as jedi. I have nothing against permadeath. It would just make the game more intresting and add realism.
The more you cry to make jedi easier and eaiser the more will you get nerfed as your profession grow. I'm not debating on make jedi less powerful - quite the opposite - make them more powerful, but with greater risk
Ah, the plot thickens. You aren't even a Jedi, and yet you want us limited? You say you want the power of the jedi increaced, but you want some unrealistic penalty for their death by you, who claims 94 kills?
You are just looking for a way to get more kicks from griefing other players. It is terrible that you would do such things. What have done will surely incite more hate between the classses.
How about we just cap the BH population, so you will actually have to learn to play your class, and when you are Teffed by engaging your mark, no one can come help you, but any number of Jedi can come with your mission, and stand in line to kill you, if they are honorable, but since 55% of them are just BH alts, they probably aren't honorable, so they will just beat you down and split the reward, /spit on your corpse, and ridicule you in their bio as a n00b.
Then we can strip you of your skills because Us jedi can just get your mission, and sit at the MO and tab until you pop on the target window, and jump you while you are still loading, and get three easy kills in about 30 minutes. Then you will be permanently limited to crafting, entertainer, or non elite combat professions, just to keep the population of BH's under control.
If you ever get caught doing non mission based PvP, in a major starport, we'll just ban your account, and you will have to play WoW, DOOM or some other non SOE game, and maybe we can even cut a deal with your ISP, such that when you get caught actually doing anything in game that ANYONE doesn't like, we can raise your ISP bills to $5000 a month, and limit your downspeed to 1200 baud.
This is the JEDI FORUM. Not the Disgruntled BH that just got out done by a Jedi comes to complain forum. Keep your selfishness to the other forum, this one is ours.
You really need to quit trying to make things worse for others. now.
/tar Jargal
/rude
Mclearin wrote:
Jargal wrote:
The faster jedi population grows, the more will it be beaten by the nerf bat. I'm not a jedi hater, I'd like to see that jedi has some risk for the reward and honor for being jedi. As it is today jedi is getting nerfed by the day and honestly I dont see jedi as anything else than a regular profession with diffrent animations. And thats sad.
If I went jedi, I'd think of it as a extra thrill if there was a severe death penaltie for dying as jedi. I have nothing against permadeath. It would just make the game more intresting and add realism.
The more you cry to make jedi easier and eaiser the more will you get nerfed as your profession grow. I'm not debating on make jedi less powerful - quite the opposite - make them more powerful, but with greater risk
Ah, the plot thickens. You aren't even a Jedi, and yet you want us limited? You say you want the power of the jedi increaced, but you want some unrealistic penalty for their death by you, who claims 94 kills?
You are just looking for a way to get more kicks from griefing other players. It is terrible that you would do such things. What have done will surely incite more hate between the classses.
How about we just cap the BH population, so you will actually have to learn to play your class, and when you are Teffed by engaging your mark, no one can come help you, but any number of Jedi can come with your mission, and stand in line to kill you, if they are honorable, but since 55% of them are just BH alts, they probably aren't honorable, so they will just beat you down and split the reward, /spit on your corpse, and ridicule you in their bio as a n00b.
Then we can strip you of your skills because Us jedi can just get your mission, and sit at the MO and tab until you pop on the target window, and jump you while you are still loading, and get three easy kills in about 30 minutes. Then you will be permanently limited to crafting, entertainer, or non elite combat professions, just to keep the population of BH's under control.
If you ever get caught doing non mission based PvP, in a major starport, we'll just ban your account, and you will have to play WoW, DOOM or some other non SOE game, and maybe we can even cut a deal with your ISP, such that when you get caught actually doing anything in game that ANYONE doesn't like, we can raise your ISP bills to $5000 a month, and limit your downspeed to 1200 baud.
This is the JEDI FORUM. Not the Disgruntled BH that just got out done by a Jedi comes to complain forum. Keep your selfishness to the other forum, this one is ours.
You really need to quit trying to make things worse for others. now.
/tar Jargal
/rude
QFE!!!!
This would never fly . the BH jedi hate factor is already in place just for the shear fact that the player knowingly comes after the jedi to take their xp away . I cant even imagine how much hate would be generated vs the guy who took your entire template away . I dont think jedi population is a factor in this game since many get bored of it and like to play alternate toons and experiment with other professions. I play my alt 5x more than my jedi. Yes, make jedi harder to get , no dont do anything to take the jedi away from people who already have them. Most put a lot a sweat and tears into their toons and taking them away is not even right.
The problem is not jedi population, the problem is no content and meaning other than to be jedi and level it.