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Thread: MY fun BH story
Ogathma
Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:44 pm
#27
hawkes37 wrote:
Kinda sad that your point is lost on roughly 95% of the people responding to this topic
IMPJA wrote:
KammaRocca wrote:
So instead of losing two hours of killing bols, you lost three days. Great job there.
As long as HE had fun, who cares.
Yeah... no kidding. Too bad for them.
Ogathma
Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:46 pm
#28
xakia wrote:
Let me simplify the OP's story.
I was getting owned by a BH so I ran and had to log for 3 days to save 30 or so minutes of regrinding my template.
Not exactly. It's more like a lateral thinking exercise. Why fight? Because the Bounty Hunter wants to?
wildcat84
Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:48 pm
#29
Ogathma wrote:
xakia wrote:
Let me simplify the OP's story.I was getting owned by a BH so I ran and had to log for 3 days to save 30 or so minutes of regrinding my template.
Not exactly. It's more like a lateral thinking exercise. Why fight? Because the Bounty Hunter wants to?
EXACTLY. Deny them what they want. It's the worst thing we can do to them. Even if we beat them, it's over for them quickly and they can go try again with someone else. They have no consequences for losing.
shadowdragon2k
Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:59 pm
#30
wildcat84 wrote:
Ogathma wrote:
xakia wrote:
Let me simplify the OP's story.
I was getting owned by a BH so I ran and had to log for 3 days to save 30 or so minutes of regrinding my template.
Not exactly. It's more like a lateral thinking exercise. Why fight? Because the Bounty Hunter wants to?
EXACTLY. Deny them what they want. It's the worst thing we can do to them. Even if we beat them, it's over for them quickly and they can go try again with someone else. They have no consequences for losing.
Lol some of you really dont get it, if we want to make money like so many have you have said before we need only do NPC missions and sale the loot.
if we want action we go to PVP (not Bhing)
MOST of us hunt jedi because they are independent they think for themself and you like everyone else want to survive. its the chase we look forward to,hunting down your mark like a rabid animal. if you want to deny us any content then you have to not get placed on the Boards. by running you give us content. by fighting you give us content. you are denying us NOTHING.
now id love for someone to argue this point. because if were chaseing you that is still content due to the fact i can still shoot you and its giveing me something to do. if you fight me its still content because im still shooting you and its giveing me something to do, fight or run we still get our content.
NoStyleGuy
Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:19 pm
#31
jobothehobbit wrote:
Outstanding.....that is an awesome idea, I hoep you wasted a lot of his time.
Joe
watch out there buddy. i know people who have gotten suspended for saying stuff like that. GRIEFER!
Zodiac-B
Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:20 pm
#32
shadowdragon2k wrote:
Lol some of you really dont get it, if we want to make money like so many have you have said before we need only do NPC missions and sale the loot.
if we want action we go to PVP (not Bhing)
MOST of us hunt jedi because they are independent they think for themself and you like everyone else want to survive. its the chase we look forward to,hunting down your mark like a rabid animal. if you want to deny us any content then you have to not get placed on the Boards. by running you give us content. by fighting you give us content. you are denying us NOTHING.
now id love for someone to argue this point. because if were chaseing you that is still content due to the fact i can still shoot you and its giveing me something to do. if you fight me its still content because im still shooting you and its giveing me something to do, fight or run we still get our content.
That may be the way you look at it, but this BH obviously got upset over the fact. The chase wasn't enough and that's where it is funny. And as we've stated before, the only way to stay of the terms is to stop doing content (there's no pikets in DWB). Therefore, staying off the terms is an unreasonable request.
Andlastly,I'll say this again..... give us a reason to fight and we'll stay and fight. It only frustrates you when we run, we still have an alt we can play. The Devs won't listen to us about the negative only impact of fighting a BH, if you BH's unite with that as well and we have a reason to fight, I'm sure you won't have to chase us nearly as often.
shadowdragon2k
Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:27 pm
#33
Zodiac-B wrote:
shadowdragon2k wrote:
Lol some of you really dont get it, if we want to make money like so many have you have said before we need only do NPC missions and sale the loot.
if we want action we go to PVP (not Bhing)
MOST of us hunt jedi because they are independent they think for themself and you like everyone else want to survive. its the chase we look forward to,hunting down your mark like a rabid animal. if you want to deny us any content then you have to not get placed on the Boards. by running you give us content. by fighting you give us content. you are denying us NOTHING.
now id love for someone to argue this point. because if were chaseing you that is still content due to the fact i can still shoot you and its giveing me something to do. if you fight me its still content because im still shooting you and its giveing me something to do, fight or run we still get our content.
That may be the way you look at it, but this BH obviously got upset over the fact. The chase wasn't enough and that's where it is funny. And as we've stated before, the only way to stay of the terms is to stop doing content (there's no pikets in DWB). Therefore, staying off the terms is an unreasonable request.
Andlastly,I'll say this again..... give us a reason to fight and we'll stay and fight. It only frustrates you when we run, we still have an alt we can play. The Devs won't listen to us about the negative only impact of fighting a BH, if you BH's unite with that as well and we have a reason to fight, I'm sure you won't have to chase us nearly as often.
1st of all....Finally a responce i keep thinking people cant see my post's 
well you use to have a reason to be honest to stay and fight but that ended up leading to exploitation of the FRS so that is proberlly the biggest reason you have no reason to fight as it is (when i say you i dont mean you spersifically i mean due to a few Fightclubers the jedi comminuty must suffer)
as far as giveing jedi a reason to stay and fight every time this subject has been brought up it turns into a flame war with someone stating that BH should lose something in turn. which isnt right due to the fact that we are not a prestiage proffesion. the real question is what do you as the jedi community surgest? is a postive reason to stay and fight. oh and please dont bring up skill lose or Jedi hunting Bounty hunting due to the fact they are both easily greifed and exploited
Zodiac-B
Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:52 pm
#34
shadowdragon2k wrote:
1st of all....Finally a responce i keep thinking people cant see my post's
well you use to have a reason to be honest to stay and fight but that ended up leading to exploitation of the FRS so that is proberlly the biggest reason you have no reason to fight as it is (when i say you i dont mean you spersifically i mean due to a few Fightclubers the jedi comminuty must suffer) Didn't take offense to that at all, I'm a post-CU jedi andno where near full template.
as far as giveing jedi a reason to stay and fight every time this subject has been brought up it turns into a flame war with someone stating that BH should lose something in turn. which isnt right due to the fact that we are not a prestiage proffesion. the real question is what do you as the jedi community surgest? is a postive reason to stay and fight. oh and please dont bring up skill lose or Jedi hunting Bounty hunting due to the fact they are both easily greifed and exploited
The BH losing something other than rewardwould provide more of rush on both sides, but I don't believe it's the answer either. Skills is obviously not the answer because us Jedi had that and it's gone now for a reason. I still like the idea of Jedi "investigating" BH such Obi-Wan did in Episode II, but that doesn't fix the problem either. So what can fix the problem?
A start for me is a BH should have to put down a deposit on any bounty he takes. If he drops the mission, he gets the deposit back. If he dies, the deposit goes to the Jedi. If he wins, he gets the deposit back plus thefull bounty. This way, credits are being exchanged and no exploitation can come of this. Problem with this, why would the Jedi get the money if the Jedi wins? If you could help memake sense in the storyline thatwould help the reasoning why a Jedi would get the cash,then we could take that to the Devs. But even if that did happen, it still wouldn't help much because most Jedi have enough credits, they need xp more than anything.
So to sum up, I know what doesn't work, but I haven't really been able to decide what to do to fix it. Sorry for being so useless because I always try my best to find constructive changes, rather than nerf requests. All I know is there needs to be is a two way street. Right now, it's one way only.
KeeferKman
Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:03 pm
#35
koldbones wrote:
Ok please tell me how you get 450k in 30 minutes? With the groups on my server now your lucky to get 60k in an hour as a jedi, but O wait your a BH you get the full xp for a kill compared to 900 ish max a jedi gets. LoL I so wish they put a penality on BH so they had something to lose. Sitting my vis out is worth it alot more to me then haveing to worry about some healer stacker giveing me neg xp.
En1Gma wrote:
I dont understand how you think you got one up on this guy....you logged out for 3 days. Hell, the BH probably got over 3 mill xp by the time you relogged.
Peter_Tagtgren wrote:
3 days later i logged back in...
And listen to Shadowdragon. he makes a valid point. You only learn from your mistakes. Running from them wont help. Ive been bounty hunting for a year and a half now (before that I was a Doctor) and my prey hardly ever runs...because I know how to hunt my mark. It's fine to run. Deer run too and I still like deer. But sometime in the future you need to stop and face your enemy.
If you get killed so what? You loose some xp thats it (nothing 30 minutes of a grinding group wont fix). The important thing is to better know your enemy and their weaknesses and their strengths.
Message Edited by En1Gma on 10-07-2005 09:37 AM
I have no problem fighting if I atleast have a sliver of a chance, but with cm's its just alot of waisted time for me so they can make some cash. Looking forward to the heal changes and wanting to see how it slows down the bh/cm combo. Iam more hten willing to take a nerf hit if it shuts thes idiots down. Sadly they will be getting a respec also so they will just change to the next flavor and run it into the ground so it gets nerfed also . But wondering how they like haveing no faction as a BH lol. No more gcw for you baby
Wrong!
That's why we BH's have a Jedi alt
Message Edited by KeeferKman on 10-09-2005 12:08 AM
KeeferKman
Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:08 pm
#36
so wrong...drawn out fights wear down the very expensive armor and mods we use. The best thing you can do is fight and make it last. Running does nothing, at worst, we pick another mission and another...most times, to the credit of the Jedi, there is a fight. When there isn't, the BH moves on, it's a part of the process, no biggie. Sound like this particular BH has issues. No different than the Jedi who send hate tells cussing left and right, they have issues on both sides. I just play the game, on either side, I survive of have fun in the process.
wildcat84 wrote:
Ogathma wrote:
xakia wrote:
Let me simplify the OP's story.
I was getting owned by a BH so I ran and had to log for 3 days to save 30 or so minutes of regrinding my template.
Not exactly. It's more like a lateral thinking exercise. Why fight? Because the Bounty Hunter wants to?
EXACTLY. Deny them what they want. It's the worst thing we can do to them. Even if we beat them, it's over for them quickly and they can go try again with someone else. They have no consequences for losing.
Ogathma
Sat Oct 08, 2005 8:07 pm
#37
KeeferKman wrote:
so wrong...drawn out fights wear down the very expensive armor and mods we use. The best thing you can do is fight and make it last. Running does nothing, at worst, we pick another mission and another...most times, to the credit of the Jedi, there is a fight. When there isn't, the BH moves on, it's a part of the process, no biggie. Sound like this particular BH has issues. No different than the Jedi who send hate tells cussing left and right, they have issues on both sides. I just play the game, on either side, I survive of have fun in the process.
wildcat84 wrote:
Ogathma wrote:
xakia wrote:
Let me simplify the OP's story.
I was getting owned by a BH so I ran and had to log for 3 days to save 30 or so minutes of regrinding my template.
Not exactly. It's more like a lateral thinking exercise. Why fight? Because the Bounty Hunter wants to?
EXACTLY. Deny them what they want. It's the worst thing we can do to them. Even if we beat them, it's over for them quickly and they can go try again with someone else. They have no consequences for losing.
You know.. I am pleasantly surprised at the lack of flames so far in this thread. 
I also just play the game as a game. Thats key. However some of the Bounty Hunters that come for me just don't see that. They (not all mind you.. most are even pretty cool) want to take something from me. I define that as griefing personally.. but thats a different thread altogether. So.. I don't give them the fight. They *can't* win. Much easier on me too I might add.
shadowdragon2k
Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:58 am
#38
Grunzer wrote:
Nice.
And to all the BH's that say stay and fight... There's no reason to.
you say theres no reason, but theres always a reason. try calling it practise, or sharperning your knowlege of your template and skill's. not only that but unless you want to lose 3 days worth of grinding over ONE bh then i guess there is no reason. just remember with few exceptions youll earn More Xp from being killed by a BH and grinding after then loseing 3 days of grinding.
shadowdragon2k
Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:01 am
#39
Zodiac-B wrote:
shadowdragon2k wrote:
1st of all....Finally a responce i keep thinking people cant see my post's
well you use to have a reason to be honest to stay and fight but that ended up leading to exploitation of the FRS so that is proberlly the biggest reason you have no reason to fight as it is (when i say you i dont mean you spersifically i mean due to a few Fightclubers the jedi comminuty must suffer) Didn't take offense to that at all, I'm a post-CU jedi andno where near full template.
as far as giveing jedi a reason to stay and fight every time this subject has been brought up it turns into a flame war with someone stating that BH should lose something in turn. which isnt right due to the fact that we are not a prestiage proffesion. the real question is what do you as the jedi community surgest? is a postive reason to stay and fight. oh and please dont bring up skill lose or Jedi hunting Bounty hunting due to the fact they are both easily greifed and exploited
The BH losing something other than rewardwould provide more of rush on both sides, but I don't believe it's the answer either. Skills is obviously not the answer because us Jedi had that and it's gone now for a reason. I still like the idea of Jedi "investigating" BH such Obi-Wan did in Episode II, but that doesn't fix the problem either. So what can fix the problem?
A start for me is a BH should have to put down a deposit on any bounty he takes. If he drops the mission, he gets the deposit back. If he dies, the deposit goes to the Jedi. If he wins, he gets the deposit back plus thefull bounty. This way, credits are being exchanged and no exploitation can come of this. Problem with this, why would the Jedi get the money if the Jedi wins? If you could help memake sense in the storyline thatwould help the reasoning why a Jedi would get the cash,then we could take that to the Devs. But even if that did happen, it still wouldn't help much because most Jedi have enough credits, they need xp more than anything.
So to sum up, I know what doesn't work, but I haven't really been able to decide what to do to fix it. Sorry for being so useless because I always try my best to find constructive changes, rather than nerf requests. All I know is there needs to be is a two way street. Right now, it's one way only.
Sorry it was 3Am when i last posted so if this post's died yet sorry for bringing it back up but if it hasnt then ok all's good still.
ok i personally could agree with the deposit idea. although not every Bh have the credits and jedi need the Xp rather than the credits. so what we are looking for is something that is neutrally benifiting to both sides but is also given a slight risk. but even then it cant be to big that its going to take forever to process and place into the game.
how about when a jedi kills a bounty hunter they gain a type of XP which can be then taken back to their trainer to be "converted" much like the village into jedi XP OR when they gain X amount of points they could trade it in (like faction perks) for a random quality Pearl/crystal. or jedi resource's. i believe this would give a jedi excentive to actually fight rather than run because with enogth kills they could have a chance to say a great pearl or a much less risky option of just tradeing it in for Xp.
now if a Bounty hunter kill's their mark they continue to gain Bounty Hunter Xp but these could be then trade'd in for Bounty Hunter type items i dunno things like a fake Light saber which wont work. and will have the name of your last sucess'ful bounty on it. and other such things like wepion's, (remember this is off the top of my head)