Jedi Archive
Thread: BLIXTEV I've got a deal for you!!!! (everyone PLEASE bump!!!)
jedibd wrote:
I just got a PM.......
not Blix though.
Do tell!!!!
Oh, nothing really, just some guy I bought an ADK from siad he couldn't log in becuase he's been downloading the expansion for the last week.
Playing on a 56k modem must be real fun!
I do love how this post, which again was meant to somewhat humorous, immediately got turned into a Jedi/BH flamefest.
SOE has sure done an excellent job a promoting a sense of community amongst it's playerbase. 
(kinda like the community in East LA)
DarthFettmule wrote:
> You really think blix care anything at all about Jedi? Maybe you should check this link....
> I know if I talked about my customers in this manner I would be fired.
You do realise that he ain't talking about Jedi, but about how much decision power he got as
a developer? he get a stupid order (install a toilet in the living room) he can only comply.
I do not see him talking about Jedi at all, only explaining that he himself is quite powerless
in the great scheme of things.
I'm wondering how that statement is supposed to indicate his opinion about Jedi myself. Someone was blaming him for ruining the game and he was pointing out that he doesn't make design decisions.
If I print out his post and pour lemon juice over it and point a black light at it does it say "Jedi Suck!" in Aurabesh?
DocSavag wrote:
If I print out his post and pour lemon juice over it and point a black light at it does it say "Jedi Suck!" in Aurabesh?
Praastep wrote:
SOE has sure done an excellent job a promoting a sense of community amongst it's playerbase.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Praastep wrote:
SOE has sure done an excellent job a promoting a sense of community amongst it's playerbase.
Oh please. SOE has certainly made some mistakes, but the sense of community between Jedi and BH is DIRECTLY in our control. SOE doesn't make a BH send Jedi nasty-grams. SOE doesn't MAKE Jedi flame BH's on the boards.We do it. It's just that simple. We make the atmosphere regarding BH and Jedi relations. We have control over what we say and do. If someone wants to flame and be a jerk, fine. That's all well and good. But to foist responsibility off on SOE is just plain immature.
Ehh..I disagree. The design of the system itself leads to bad blood between the two groups. You can't design a system where on side gets a benefit while the other side gets nothing but hassles and expect it to be a healthy relationship. Its a disfunctional game design and it always will be. It has nothing to do with Jedi or BH as professions it has everything to do with the way they are forced to interact.
DocSavag wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Praastep wrote:
SOE has sure done an excellent job a promoting a sense of community amongst it's playerbase.
Oh please. SOE has certainly made some mistakes, but the sense of community between Jedi and BH is DIRECTLY in our control. SOE doesn't make a BH send Jedi nasty-grams. SOE doesn't MAKE Jedi flame BH's on the boards.
We do it. It's just that simple. We make the atmosphere regarding BH and Jedi relations. We have control over what we say and do. If someone wants to flame and be a jerk, fine. That's all well and good. But to foist responsibility off on SOE is just plain immature.
Ehh..I disagree. The design of the system itself leads to bad blood between the two groups. You can't design a system where on side gets a benefit while the other side gets nothing but hassles and expect it to be a healthy relationship. Its a disfunctional game design and it always will be. It has nothing to do with Jedi or BH as professions it has everything to do with the way they are forced to interact.
DocSavag wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Praastep wrote:
SOE has sure done an excellent job a promoting a sense of community amongst it's playerbase.
Oh please. SOE has certainly made some mistakes, but the sense of community between Jedi and BH is DIRECTLY in our control. SOE doesn't make a BH send Jedi nasty-grams. SOE doesn't MAKE Jedi flame BH's on the boards.
We do it. It's just that simple. We make the atmosphere regarding BH and Jedi relations. We have control over what we say and do. If someone wants to flame and be a jerk, fine. That's all well and good. But to foist responsibility off on SOE is just plain immature.
Ehh..I disagree. The design of the system itself leads to bad blood between the two groups. You can't design a system where on side gets a benefit while the other side gets nothing but hassles and expect it to be a healthy relationship. Its a disfunctional game design and it always will be. It has nothing to do with Jedi or BH as professions it has everything to do with the way they are forced to interact.
I still believe the BH profession is a easy way out for Content , we all know that the BH can grief the jedi and the Jedi have no way to punish the BH in any manor except the PVP rate (wow cool) with a profession so easily unbalanced in Forced PVP the Content is left to thoes that like the PVP and not to thoes that dont like to PVP , I know some will say Drop my Jedi if I dont like the PVP but occassionally its ok for me , but on a small server where @ 1/2 the player base is BH and Jedi it seems a little Forced IMO, there wasnt a day that I couldnt bet on a BH until the Expansion but that will soon go back to the old days and hunted frequently , and being forced to regrind and regrind and regrind.
After all it would be nice for some kind of loss to the BH when they fail and before they whine about having to spend credits on Droids and taking their precious time hunting us they need to realize that the 15 mins that they spend on our missions we have to spend an average of 2-4 hours to regrind our XPwith the possibility of other BH comming for us.
I am full temp and really dont care about the XP loss but there are tons of players that are not finnished grinding and have to repeatedly grind their XP to get to Full template . its Time the BH lose something too.
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
DocSavag wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Praastep wrote:
SOE has sure done an excellent job a promoting a sense of community amongst it's playerbase.
Oh please. SOE has certainly made some mistakes, but the sense of community between Jedi and BH is DIRECTLY in our control. SOE doesn't make a BH send Jedi nasty-grams. SOE doesn't MAKE Jedi flame BH's on the boards.We do it. It's just that simple. We make the atmosphere regarding BH and Jedi relations. We have control over what we say and do. If someone wants to flame and be a jerk, fine. That's all well and good. But to foist responsibility off on SOE is just plain immature.
Ehh..I disagree. The design of the system itself leads to bad blood between the two groups. You can't design a system where on side gets a benefit while the other side gets nothing but hassles and expect it to be a healthy relationship. Its a disfunctional game design and it always will be. It has nothing to do with Jedi or BH as professions it has everything to do with the way they are forced to interact.
But we're NOT forced to interact in any specific way.Nobody forces a Jedi to be an ass to the BH that comes to them.Nobody forces a BH to talk smack to Jedi.I treated every single BH that has ever come after me cordially in game. You know what? They responded in the same way, or at worst didn't respond at all.And even still. If one of them had been jerky toward me, I would still have been above accusation as I was nothing but nice to them.SOE doesn't control how I treat others. That's entirely in my control.
They don't force you to react a certain way but they do set up the relationship itself to be one that isn't healthy or conductive to good game play. I'm not saying you can't make the best of a bad situation but you can't give SOE a pass for the design which sets up a guy who gets off on making other people suffer to use their design to torment other players. And that is a fair representation of many BH-Jedi encounters. Certainly not all of them and it doesn't have to be that way but if you set up a scenario where players are encouraged to prey on other players who get nothing but grief out of the exchange you are responsibible in part for the bad blood that exists between the two groups.
The system attracts people who like to grief others. SOE is responsibile for their part in enabling those types of players. It doesn't give the players a pass either but their defense always starts with pointing out that they are only using the system as designed.
DocSavag wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
DocSavag wrote:
Leatherneck_of_Alderaan wrote:
Praastep wrote:
SOE has sure done an excellent job a promoting a sense of community amongst it's playerbase.
Oh please. SOE has certainly made some mistakes, but the sense of community between Jedi and BH is DIRECTLY in our control. SOE doesn't make a BH send Jedi nasty-grams. SOE doesn't MAKE Jedi flame BH's on the boards.
We do it. It's just that simple. We make the atmosphere regarding BH and Jedi relations. We have control over what we say and do. If someone wants to flame and be a jerk, fine. That's all well and good. But to foist responsibility off on SOE is just plain immature.
Ehh..I disagree. The design of the system itself leads to bad blood between the two groups. You can't design a system where on side gets a benefit while the other side gets nothing but hassles and expect it to be a healthy relationship. Its a disfunctional game design and it always will be. It has nothing to do with Jedi or BH as professions it has everything to do with the way they are forced to interact.
But we're NOT forced to interact in any specific way.
Nobody forces a Jedi to be an ass to the BH that comes to them.
Nobody forces a BH to talk smack to Jedi.
I treated every single BH that has ever come after me cordially in game. You know what? They responded in the same way, or at worst didn't respond at all.
And even still. If one of them had been jerky toward me, I would still have been above accusation as I was nothing but nice to them.
SOE doesn't control how I treat others. That's entirely in my control.
They don't force you to react a certain way but they do set up the relationship itself to be one that isn't healthy or conductive to good game play. I'm not saying you can't make the best of a bad situation but you can't give SOE a pass for the design which sets up a guy who gets off on making other people suffer to use their design to torment other players. And that is a fair representation of many BH-Jedi encounters. Certainly not all of them and it doesn't have to be that way but if you set up a scenario where players are encouraged to prey on other players who get nothing but grief out of the exchange you are responsibible in part for the bad blood that exists between the two groups.
The system attracts people who like to grief others. SOE is responsibile for their part in enabling those types of players. It doesn't give the players a pass either but their defense always starts with pointing out that they are only using the system as designed.
Ok. I hear you. And I agree that BH vs Jedi wasn't the best design choice. It's better, but still notvery good. And yes it does influence people to treat each other in a very negative manner.
But the final responsibility for how we treat each other lies with each of us individually.