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Thread: Jedi Underpowered? Deffinately!
KonaiNobi wrote:
Simple explanation;
lovisa wrote:
why do you compare dps when it is useless to compare ?
DPS = Damage Per Second. That means if I do 1000 damage per second (DPS) it will take me 3 seconds to kill a lvl 80 player if they do not heal themselves. At 644 DPS will take 4.65838 seconds to kill them. So logic dictates that if two player each using one of the above DPS fight each other, the one with 1000 DPS will be victorious.
Of course this is offset by various things; heals, armor, mitigation, dodge etc. But obviously, DPS does work because it's a naturally occuring phenom in the play system (as it is in all play systems even though this one makes it obvious).
well if i hit a level 80 3 times without heals he are dead yes and with a 1000dps gun (wich is speed pupped) you hit 3 times but if you oponent heal even once or twice then you are out of action and do more or less 2-300dps max if you are lucky this mean if you are able to kill in the first 2-5 sec then your mates gun is better if not your saber is way better becourse your action is there and his is not so you can go on swing your saber but he need to wait for his action to regain
KonaiNobi wrote:
Akuma-Paragon wrote:
that comment solidifies your noob status. 550-650 or better damage ls > any rifle or gun or any post cu melee weapon vs. any good melee/jedi, when it comes to outdamaging at least. just because it has a higher dps doesnt mean sh**.go play kotor. your arguing so much for authenticity to starwars, but you leave out the conflicting yet related arguement of how there were a handful of jedi alive during this period. so since they are more jedi, and they have effectively destroyed the timeline, you cant have them all be exceptionally uber. even if it is pve only, it would send the economy out of whack for regular profs.
-apeist.
I sense much anger in you. And no matter how much you argue against it, the physical laws of the game do indeed produce a DPS for every player using every weapon. As for me being a noob, I think not. Not only have I been playing SWG since launch day, as a pre pub-9 hologrinder I've had the joy of grinding endless professions and then with only a few professions left I was forced to go through the village due to not unlocking soon enough. I too am unhappy with the number of Jedi and how easy it is to get now. But you cant take people's Jedi characters away just because it conflicts with the storyline/timeline. So Jedi needs to be more difficult to obtain and to be taken out of the public eye. This isnt a difficult problem to solve, especially if you think creativly. Im not trying to start an arguement, I just wanted to point out that Jedi truely underpowerd and that all this Jedi vs BH whining could be solved relatively easily.
Instead of having us kill a billion bols. Why not make Jedi like the movies? I really do not get why a FS series of quests [not getting boxes of supplies for some dude] would unlock the Jedi ability. I really hope SEGA takes this game over and revamps it. All SOE knows how to do is make mindless grind games.. Planetside, EverQuest..etc.
lovisa wrote:
well if i hit a level 80 3 times without heals he are dead yes and with a 1000dps gun (wich is speed pupped) you hit 3 times but if you oponent heal even once or twice then you are out of action and do more or less 2-300dps max if you are lucky this mean if you are able to kill in the first 2-5 sec then your mates gun is better if not your saber is way better becourse your action is there and his is not so you can go on swing your saber but he need to wait for his action to regain
You must be using the wrong foods/spices mate. The BH's I fight have action that is nearly impossible to drop below half. I spent over 30 minutes fighting a MBH/CM on Dath the other day. I consistantly ran out of action, mind and Force (thankfully not all at the same time). Had to pop a holo even. The BH I was fighting never ran out of action or mind once.
KonaiNobi wrote:
lovisa wrote:
well if i hit a level 80 3 times without heals he are dead yes and with a 1000dps gun (wich is speed pupped) you hit 3 times but if you oponent heal even once or twice then you are out of action and do more or less 2-300dps max if you are lucky this mean if you are able to kill in the first 2-5 sec then your mates gun is better if not your saber is way better becourse your action is there and his is not so you can go on swing your saber but he need to wait for his action to regain
You must be using the wrong foods/spices mate. The BH's I fight have action that is nearly impossible to drop below half. I spent over 30 minutes fighting a MBH/CM on Dath the other day. I consistantly ran out of action, mind and Force (thankfully not all at the same time). Had to pop a holo even. The BH I was fighting never ran out of action or mind once.
This is why Jedi run from BH's now. Why bother spending half an hour for nothing? You get NOTHING out of killing BH's.
Again, Bounty Hunters should have a FRS system through Jabaa, Black Sun, etc. They shou;d have to go after people dealing in underworld activities. Jedi's are a target, yes..but there should be a system where true Master Bounty Hunters can hunt Padawan and lower Jedi.
KonaiNobi wrote:
lovisa wrote:
well if i hit a level 80 3 times without heals he are dead yes and with a 1000dps gun (wich is speed pupped) you hit 3 times but if you oponent heal even once or twice then you are out of action and do more or less 2-300dps max if you are lucky this mean if you are able to kill in the first 2-5 sec then your mates gun is better if not your saber is way better becourse your action is there and his is not so you can go on swing your saber but he need to wait for his action to regain
You must be using the wrong foods/spices mate. The BH's I fight have action that is nearly impossible to drop below half. I spent over 30 minutes fighting a MBH/CM on Dath the other day. I consistantly ran out of action, mind and Force (thankfully not all at the same time). Had to pop a holo even. The BH I was fighting never ran out of action or mind once.
i never run out of action so my food is enought for me
but i doubt any BH use speed pup like your mate did
have you ever used a speed puped gun?
i have and your action run out like water in sahara and yes my alt is BH so i know the diffrens and i should never use any speed pup against any jedi
ViciousTongue wrote:
This is why Jedi run from BH's now. Why bother spending half an hour for nothing? You get NOTHING out of killing BH's.
Again, Bounty Hunters should have a FRS system through Jabaa, Black Sun, etc. They shou;d have to go after people dealing in underworld activities. Jedi's are a target, yes..but there should be a system where true Master Bounty Hunters can hunt Padawan and lower Jedi.
Message Edited by KonaiNobi on 10-09-2005 02:09 AM
lovisa wrote:
KonaiNobi wrote:
Ummmm... You mistake my post. One hit kills are not fun but a fourth gen saber shouldnever be outdamaged by blasters. and yes, slaughtering lesser powerfull professions should be boring for a Jedi. Killing other Jedi, Imperial Inquisitors if they are ever introduced, Nightsisters, Rancor, Krayt and other epic opponents would be more along the lines of appropriate targets for Jedi players.
have you ever get outdmg by many while you hit cl90 or above?
lovisa wrote:
hmm
you say jedi do little dmg and i say no and if you cant handle krayts or NS then it is either your skill or your template that is not good for those . what i mean when you fight high level mobs or pvp you use min dmg and LS have very high min dmg if you compare to other wepons
The min damage on my Advanced Laser Rifle is higher that my Saber
KonaiNobi wrote:
cptsparrow wrote:
A bh should never be able to kill a fully trained knight you say, jango killed one on the balcony at the end of ep2. Grevious killed jedi and used lightsabers and wasent a jedi.
There's nothing saying that the Jedi killed by Jango on the balcony in Ep2 is fully trained. He could have been someones newbie Padawan. Also, Grevious is a special case. He was once flesh but had his body replaced with cybernetics and was trained by Dooku.
The Jedi was fully trained, but that said his attention was directed towards the Sith in scene and Jango took a cheap shot!
NoviceRangerFlurry wrote:
KonaiNobi wrote:
cptsparrow wrote:
A bh should never be able to kill a fully trained knight you say, jango killed one on the balcony at the end of ep2. Grevious killed jedi and used lightsabers and wasent a jedi.
There's nothing saying that the Jedi killed by Jango on the balcony in Ep2 is fully trained. He could have been someones newbie Padawan. Also, Grevious is a special case. He was once flesh but had his body replaced with cybernetics and was trained by Dooku.
The Jedi was fully trained, but that said his attention was directed towards the Sith in scene and Jango took a cheap shot!
Yes you are correct Jango would have been toasted had the Jedi known he was there with a gun BUT Bounty Hunters ALWAYS try and take a cheap shot at the Jedi from behind, when they are wounded, etc. You can't judge a BHs effectiveness on how trained a Jedi is. Even the greatest jedi would die from several unexpected blaster bolts to the head from behind. The jedi would be judged in how aware he was when they go up against a BH. So if they KNEW they were there the BH would surely die. But BH is all about surprise and cheap shots
NoviceRangerFlurry wrote:
lovisa wrote:
KonaiNobi wrote:
Ummmm... You mistake my post. One hit kills are not fun but a fourth gen saber shouldnever be outdamaged by blasters. and yes, slaughtering lesser powerfull professions should be boring for a Jedi. Killing other Jedi, Imperial Inquisitors if they are ever introduced, Nightsisters, Rancor, Krayt and other epic opponents would be more along the lines of appropriate targets for Jedi players.
have you ever get outdmg by many while you hit cl90 or above?
Yes all the time I out damage Jedi on my Rifleman BH
what is your stats on that rifle would be nice to see
do you have around 800+ in min dmg?
sure i have a good saber but far from perfect 629-717dmg and 217 elem dmg wich mean i have 846-934dmg on it and i doubt you have better min dmg than that
Message Edited by lovisa on 10-09-2005 05:20 AM
Far from perfect? You are within 20-30 points of perfect damage!
lovisa wrote:
NoviceRangerFlurry wrote:
lovisa wrote:
KonaiNobi wrote:
Ummmm... You mistake my post. One hit kills are not fun but a fourth gen saber shouldnever be outdamaged by blasters. and yes, slaughtering lesser powerfull professions should be boring for a Jedi. Killing other Jedi, Imperial Inquisitors if they are ever introduced, Nightsisters, Rancor, Krayt and other epic opponents would be more along the lines of appropriate targets for Jedi players.
have you ever get outdmg by many while you hit cl90 or above?
Yes all the time I out damage Jedi on my Rifleman BH
what is your stats on that rifle would be nice to see
do you have around 800+ in min dmg?
sure i have a good saber but far from perfect 629-717dmg and 217 elem dmg wich mean i have 846-934dmg on it and i doubt you have better min dmg than that
Message Edited by lovisa on 10-09-2005 05:20 AM