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Thread: Tiggs: Perfect Pearls are NOT rare. The DEV response is seriously FLAWED.
netslayer wrote:
get off the vets backsides we earned what we got it took me well over 100 premy/flawless to get my saber i think we deserve what we got. its like trying to take candy from a kid cuz you dont have it.
QFE
MX13 wrote:
netslayer wrote:
get off the vets backsides we earned what we got it took me well over 100 premy/flawless to get my saber i think we deserve what we got. its like trying to take candy from a kid cuz you dont have it.
What are you talking about? I didn't say anything to complain about the vets.
You're completely missing the point of the post and obviously don't care about any Post CU Jedi, or the ability of building a saber Post CU. Read, THEN post.
Did you expect any different? Really, did you? the Majority (not all) of the pre-cu Jedi with their uber sabers care nothing for anything or anyone but themselves. And they love jumping on anyone or any discussion for that matter that even HINTS at a nerf to their precious pre-cu sabers.
But tigg's has already said that it's not going to last. "We decided to allow older jedi to keep their sabers/pearls/crystals in the INTERIM."
Their uber pre-cu sabers are limited on time to continue existing in this game. And really, veterans cancelling accounts doesn't bother them at all, does it? I believe the CU proved that it does NOT matter to them.
Message Edited by Grunzer on 09-04-2005 08:29 PM
Simple answer to this problem is to allow the flawless, and premiums to drop again. Nerfing our sabers (pre 9) is a step in the wrong direction. Most of the pre 9 Jedi were swinging our glow sticks long before most of the new jedi even heard about this game, and some how believe they should manipulate the veterans earnings.
Not busting anyone's chops here but you new guys have no idea how long it took to put these sabers together. It literally cost me 5 million credits per tune, and I have tuned (ballpark) between 75-100 pearls. Some of the pearls I harvested but the majority was purchased.
So when a post-cu jedi comes on the forums, and calls for the saber nerf (adk removal) you can see why they get so many negative responses from the vets. If they removed the adk's from sabers they might as well remove adk's from the game completely..... after all look what they did to the non-combat professions (ie: weaponsmiths, tailors, etc).
Pre & Post Jedi need to work together to get things back that were taken from our profession. The more posts that come up on the boards like this.... the more conflicts, and division between pre 9 & post cu jedi exists.
Work together to make our profession better..... not worse!
TesserVin wrote:
PodgerTheGreat wrote:
what do you want? they aren't going to backtrack on the pearls issue... but i'll tell you what you will bring about... a nerf on ADK'd sabers. That'll sure fix those perfect tuned pearls wont it?
like the idea, this would give power wielders a chance as well. Problem is that ALL of the pre-CU jedi will whine, including me. And the decay rate on pearls and crystals are extremely low. I used my second-best crystals and pearls to grind out over 45million jedi xp and they still have well over 1/3 condition left. My PvP crystals and pearls are still nearly perfect.
Of course we whine, my CL50 rifle has 2x the max dmg that my saber currently does. Is that right? I'll let you decide...
Not by me
ussormi wrote:
This whole situation is crap. There is a larger picture here we need to see it. They removed the durable lathes from being placed in sabers. They instiuted cooldown timers on Jedi healing themselves. They have gimped all Jedi who have not the pleasure of getting premium and flawless pearls. In a sense they have removed the power from the bat and they do not care. Now they are gonna put a new expansion out when they have not even fixed the "So Called" bugs in game already. I agree with MX13, and I am Sooooooooooooooooooo gonna get flamed on this.
PodgerTheGreat wrote:
what do you want? they aren't going to backtrack on the pearls issue... but i'll tell you what you will bring about... a nerf on ADK'd sabers. That'll sure fix those perfect tuned pearls wont it?
lol, arent you people smart. how many "good" pearls would you have to tune to get a decent saber that could compete against a CL 80 non jedi. then it decays, this hurts not only old jedi but all the new jedi as well and eventually making all jedi a joke compared to non jedi. great idea mate.
Ahtuuke wrote:
PodgerTheGreat wrote:
of course, the fairest course would be to remove force cost from sabers entirely and pearls grant bonus aspects... additional damage, speed, mods. Make the focus on the saber directly and less on what you put in it. Then you could experiment up whatever you want on your saber and change them to meet the combat situation.
ahh yes.. i like this idea!
your thinkin!
This is a great idea and it's been brought up before. It makes no sense that there is a FC to use sabers. Action and mind I understand, but Force makes no sense. Does Necrosis have a force bar? A Droid?
However, this still doesn't address the damage issue created by the situation and the DEV response.
MX13 wrote:
netslayer wrote:
get off the vets backsides we earned what we got it took me well over 100 premy/flawless to get my saber i think we deserve what we got. its like trying to take candy from a kid cuz you dont have it.
What are you talking about? I didn't say anything to complain about the vets.
You're completely missing the point of the post and obviously don't care about any Post CU Jedi, or the ability of building a saber Post CU. Read, THEN post.
Message Edited by flipnitch on 09-05-2005 03:22 PM
flipnitch wrote:
MX13 wrote:
netslayer wrote:
get off the vets backsides we earned what we got it took me well over 100 premy/flawless to get my saber i think we deserve what we got. its like trying to take candy from a kid cuz you dont have it.
What are you talking about? I didn't say anything to complain about the vets.
You're completely missing the point of the post and obviously don't care about any Post CU Jedi, or the ability of building a saber Post CU. Read, THEN post.
post cu unlocked jedi
no creds spend on pearls or the adk
713 max saber with 14 fc...with 0022 sabers....thats pretty decent isnt it
not saying i think it would be easy to replicate. And i do sympathise with people that have lower damage sabers. I dont mean to put my opinion on either side of the issue, jus to say its possible
Message Edited by flipnitch on 09-05-2005 03:22 PM
You are by far the exception to the rule and I would be surprised if you didn't make your saber from pre-CU premium pearls.
I had2 great pearls from pre-CU. I tuned over 200 crystals and 100 pearls post-CU (all good & fair)and got only 2 over 100 damage, both with poor FC & speed.
I'm happy for you, but your story does not mean the system is balanced, and does not justify the DEV's response to this problem.
MX13 wrote:
Tiggs, there are thousands of perfectly tuned pearls in the game already in the sabers of pre-CU Jedi across all servers. Therefore, your post & the DEV logic is SERIOUSLY flawed.
I was lucky enough to get 2 real nice ones pre-CU and I barely tried. HUNDREDS of Jedi have perfect (or extremely close to) sabers. All the DEV team is doing is INCREASING the lack of balance.
On top of that our SAC costs and damage have been reduced and now you've nerfed the only chance we (especially the new Jedi) have to try to compete in your horribly balanced combat system.
FIX THIS. Don't just cop-out.
You need to challenge the way you're approaching the problem. Think outside the box, like:
Increase the tune range to 150/.29/-12 and adjust the creature LVL / Loot Tablesto match. This will at least help those without perfect sabers build ones that are closer to acceptable.
The best solution would be to raise the base damage so the most powerful weapon in SW cannon actually was a decent weapon, and Paddies could come closer to surviving.
But I encourage you to rethink your post. It's seriously flawed. Perfectly tuned pearls (former flawless and premiums) are NOT rare.
Message Edited by MX13 on 09-05-2005 08:19 AM
Concidering that her point was that the pearls got removed because people complained that the things that dropped them were too hard to kill, I don't think you have a leg to stand on.
You want to challange Tiggs, get a group together and go kill the lvl 250 and up mobs. See if they drop any pearls.
If they don't, then maybe what she said was false.
If the do, then you have no right to complain, as the lack of pearls is a direct result of our own petitioning.