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Thread: The Dirty Little Secret about Mbh/Mcms

MrSemi
Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:48 am
#14






Veustuh wrote:







TheCapn2000 wrote:



CM's pre-CU were more of a pain due to insane DoTs though post CU all healing is skewed because they offer about 150 less points of healing in one full tree then a master in either Doctor or Combat Medic. It's this change inthehealing ability from one single line that makes either 4/x/x/x Doctor / Combat Medic overpowered and turns tanks into 1.5x the power of a Jedi depending on build(s) and gear. Pre-CU a single tree Doctor / Combat Medic could last for a bit but couldn't heal endlessly.



Message Edited by Veustuh on 10-27-2005 01:41 PM





You only needed one line of medic to use Stim D's Pre Cu that healed more than you'd ever imagine needing. You could heal till your mind was gone just like now.


In regards to the original poster, you should be complaining about Jedi healing not BH CM. BH dots aren't too overpowering it's infinite high power healing that makes them so effective.




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eavi
Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:18 pm
#15

Hehe, that would be fun. Mls, Mdef, Menh, 4xx4healing




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Cafa
Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:35 pm
#16






CPA wrote:
Um, it takes 43 SP to get novice doc, 58 to get novice combat medic, and only 28 to get 4000 Healer (not including the 24 worthless FS boxes).







So in truth it takes 52 Skill Points to get 4000 Healer. Not to mention more XP than grinding doc or CM 20 times.


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lunas
Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:40 pm
#17


the problem with limiting bh to a single mastery is then everyone would be including YOU! If you think you are gimped now just wait untill all you have is master sabers or master enhancer.







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PWNERIZER
Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:42 pm
#18


If you dont like getting killed by bh then just go Mdef/Mheal and throw in feign death for when ur low on force, or you could all stop crying and work out a strategy to fight back. I havent been killed by a MCM/BH yet and dont plan to.



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Dahrak73
Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:46 pm
#19

I didn't say to limit BH to a single mastery but limit them to masteries respective to them. MBH/MRM, MBH/MCarbs, MBH/MPistols, etc.. even Commando, Ranger what have you. But to include a secondary mastery that introduces a completely new skill set and offensive set is a bit too much. I would even go for the ability for an MBH to master another combat profession of his choise and grab some medic or even a little CM for healing/offense

With Jedi you can't classify them in the same boat. We have no armor so we can't just be limited to ONE mastery. Same goes for healing. Where a non Jedi can get Double Elites and medic all the while wearing armor. Jedi don't have that luxury.



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JeddoJogger
Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:10 pm
#20

All these jedi that complain about how overpowering mbh/mcm is need to fight a non-bh ranged player and see how powerful ranged truely can be, check out these temps for ranged.


mcm/mrifle/carb 0440


mrifle/mcarb/cm 4400


mcm/mcarb/rifle 4004



I tried each of these temps and each one is far better than my current mbh/mcm/rifle 4000 temp. Only problem is can't hunt jedi, go figure, lol. I wouldn't be a bh except for the one on one fights. PvP a lot of times comes down to who has the larger gank squad, lol.


mpistol/msmuggler/cm4000 is great too for crowd control in pvp





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freak88
Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:19 pm
#21

clarifying for the record


dont you dare say to me that a mbh/mcm can kill me.


I am StiFFler the bh killer


ahazi server.


I am a KNOWN BH murderer. get that in your head. ask about me. its all true.


you take my mission you 3 day nooblet, you are dead before you leave the terminal.


GoldnGT
Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:27 pm
#22

Technically the template by the OP is not possible. Even with the 24 SP back.. if you do it the smartest way, by dumping into three disiplines you will only have MLS / MD / 4440 Enhancer. Its not enough to make up a triple mastery in Jedi. But since the FS trees are useless anyway, it would help EXTREMELY to let us have those SP back. My temp choices would be:

MLS / MEH / 3300 Defender / 4000 Healer
MLS / MD / 2400 Enhancer / 4000 Healer
MLS / MD / 2000 Enhancer / 4040 Healer
MP / MD / 0402 Lightsaber / 4000 Healer
(its sad that you HAVE to have healer in every template =o( )

That would give me a little extra umph, but not be gamebreaking by any means.. =o(



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freak88
Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:32 pm
#23

ok now i feel better, sick of the bh s that even dare to fantasize about killing stiffler. i have a huge list of bh s i have killed . and since full temp, regularly get hit 3 times in 1 hour.


but due to all the time i invested into my saber and other ca s, tons and tons of ca s. i have remained unkillable.


my original post was to show the ridiculous blasphemy to balance, and the motivation and effort these devs went to to make mbh/mcm even possible.


i originally said they had to drop 2 mastered professions to do this. i forgot that, mbh used to need mscout. so i was wrong. they actually dropped 3 mastered professions, and then had to cut a line out of medic to even make this possible.


cm only needs 1 line of medic, while doc needs 2???


then make doc more viable for melee, and let them have only 1 line of medic.


then give jedi there fs worthless points back.


msaber menh mdef heal 4004=mbh/mcm


it would equate to about the samething, but not really.


its not like im asking to dropp 3 mastered professions as in mbh/mcm.


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problem is, i think the toon skills are there to take me down, but its the keyboard operator headspace that prevents it, not the bh toon.


after all, im only a jedi, nerfed heals, nerfed speed, nerfed saber, nerfed ab, hoe is i keep winning, because you su k. /bow2


freak88
Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:35 pm
#24

i was just running my mouth on the triple plate, but 28 points versus dropping 3 masters for mbh/mcm isnt even comparable.

GoldnGT
Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:51 pm
#25

24* points, but yeah i know what you mean =o)



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hamhamthe3rd
Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:17 pm
#26

the requirements for cm are fine. if you wanna talk about crazy requirements, then talk about ranger.

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