Jedi Archive

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Twilekku wrote:

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Mr_Desert wrote:

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Twilekku wrote:

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Mr_Desert wrote:

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Grienthumb wrote:
I would love to NOT hear these whining posts .

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/agree

You are not getting nerfed, read the patch notes then tell us why you are being nerfed.

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Read the patch notes and tell us whats NOT being nerfed....

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Please tell me

1) Which of you current skills do not already have action cost

2) Please tell me the % of action cost for heals

3) Please tell me the effect the changes to action cost will have to CM's as well as other professions

4) Please tell me exactly what you have an issue with

Or go elsewhere

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PLease tell me what a AI is worth if the npc wont attack

Please tell me why a Novice Carbiner should be able to overwrite a Jedi Master Box Force Run with a friggin Snare

Those action costs arent the point here tbh

Message Edited by Twilekku on 10-13-2005 02:12 PM

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AI is the last resort for a MDef to avoid death, it isnt supposed to be a way to tank NPC's so the others in the group dont get hurt.

As for the nov carb bit suggest you keep a bit more upto date with details regarding things in beta and not even in the 4 notes listed as part of ToOW or even bettwe wait and see what transpires into live.

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Jedi_Xan wrote:

Jediare the reason for their own demise. Jedi who think only about themself, and not the good of the game. Jedi who refuse to self-govern. Jedi who insist on gank squads, and clone zerging. Jedi who think it's fun to go around deathblowing noobs. Jedi who want all power, and no risk. The whines, the crying, the abuse has only gotten the Jedi nerfed more and more. Jedi who refuse to accept that there are consequences for their actions continue to cry about how bad they have it, when their are other professions which have been permabroken since the game came out.

If you truely want to see Jedi get better. If you truely want power. If you truely want the hate toward Jedi to stop, then you must do what needs to be done. Whining, crying, negative reinforcment has only gotten you broken more. It will not stop. It will only get worse. UNLESS, you make the change within you as a whole. Everyone must do their part to make jedi better for the game, and a value to the community.

If you continue to neglect the many warnings which have been stated over and over the last 20 months or so. Some people are so hard headed. They refuse to see the bigger picture. If you want more power, offer to give up something in return. Let's bring Jedi back to where it was before. Powerful, but a very perilous life wrought with danger. That made the profession alot of fun and without it.... well... as you can plainly see, it is just not much fun anymore.

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KRAKEN666 wrote:

I would love to hear from one dev giving us an answer why they are doing this to us. All this silence towards us, all this major nerfing to our skills, and all this time we spent on becoming the alpha class washed away by some developers whim to eliminate jedi. Just give us a why you are doing this answer devs....and if the answer is to balance a game, that dev needs to be taken out and beheaded because I a personally tired of that LIE.

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KRAKEN666 wrote:

I would love to hear from one dev giving us an answer why they are doing this to us. All this silence towards us, all this major nerfing to our skills, and all this time we spent on becoming the alpha class washed away by some developers whim to eliminate jedi. Just give us a why you are doing this answer devs....and if the answer is to balance a game, that dev needs to be taken out and beheaded because I a personally tired of that LIE.

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Welcome to the wonderfull worldof the Other still existing professions from SWG whohave blatantly been ignored for *months*, if not years.

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Mr_Desert wrote:

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Twilekku wrote:

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Mr_Desert wrote:

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Twilekku wrote:

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Mr_Desert wrote:

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Grienthumb wrote:
I would love to NOT hear these whining posts .

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/agree

You are not getting nerfed, read the patch notes then tell us why you are being nerfed.

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Read the patch notes and tell us whats NOT being nerfed....

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Please tell me

1) Which of you current skills do not already have action cost

2) Please tell me the % of action cost for heals

3) Please tell me the effect the changes to action cost will have to CM's as well as other professions

4) Please tell me exactly what you have an issue with

Or go elsewhere

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PLease tell me what a AI is worth if the npc wont attack

Please tell me why a Novice Carbiner should be able to overwrite a Jedi Master Box Force Run with a friggin Snare

Those action costs arent the point here tbh

Message Edited by Twilekku on 10-13-2005 02:12 PM

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AI is the last resort for a MDef to avoid death, it isnt supposed to be a way to tank NPC's so the others in the group dont get hurt.

As for the nov carb bit suggest you keep a bit more upto date with details regarding things in beta and not even in the 4 notes listed as part of ToOW or even bettwe wait and see what transpires into live.

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Mr_Desert wrote:

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Twilekku wrote:

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Mr_Desert wrote:

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Twilekku wrote:

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Mr_Desert wrote:

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Grienthumb wrote:
I would love to NOT hear these whining posts .

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/agree

You are not getting nerfed, read the patch notes then tell us why you are being nerfed.

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Read the patch notes and tell us whats NOT being nerfed....

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Please tell me

1) Which of you current skills do not already have action cost

2) Please tell me the % of action cost for heals

3) Please tell me the effect the changes to action cost will have to CM's as well as other professions

4) Please tell me exactly what you have an issue with

Or go elsewhere

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PLease tell me what a AI is worth if the npc wont attack

Please tell me why a Novice Carbiner should be able to overwrite a Jedi Master Box Force Run with a friggin Snare

Those action costs arent the point here tbh

Message Edited by Twilekku on 10-13-2005 02:12 PM

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AI is the last resort for a MDef to avoid death, it isnt supposed to be a way to tank NPC's so the others in the group dont get hurt.

As for the nov carb bit suggest you keep a bit more upto date with details regarding things in beta and not even in the 4 notes listed as part of ToOW or even bettwe wait and see what transpires into live.

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TheNarcis wrote:

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Jedi_Xan wrote:

Jediare the reason for their own demise. Jedi who think only about themself, and not the good of the game. Jedi who refuse to self-govern. Jedi who insist on gank squads, and clone zerging. Jedi who think it's fun to go around deathblowing noobs. Jedi who want all power, and no risk. The whines, the crying, the abuse has only gotten the Jedi nerfed more and more. Jedi who refuse to accept that there are consequences for their actions continue to cry about how bad they have it, when their are other professions which have been permabroken since the game came out.

If you truely want to see Jedi get better. If you truely want power. If you truely want the hate toward Jedi to stop, then you must do what needs to be done. Whining, crying, negative reinforcment has only gotten you broken more. It will not stop. It will only get worse. UNLESS, you make the change within you as a whole. Everyone must do their part to make jedi better for the game, and a value to the community.

If you continue to neglect the many warnings which have been stated over and over the last 20 months or so. Some people are so hard headed. They refuse to see the bigger picture. If you want more power, offer to give up something in return. Let's bring Jedi back to where it was before. Powerful, but a very perilous life wrought with danger. That made the profession alot of fun and without it.... well... as you can plainly see, it is just not much fun anymore.

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All this would make sence, except its working for BH.

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the truth is, it was not BH whining that brought changes to the game. Tanks was a very good communicator, and overall he worked really hard for not only the BH profession, but other professions as well. He always worked towards a better game. He is alot of the reason why BH got so much attention.

Let's look at something though. While BH (the most influential BH's in the forum, are in fact, not whining) and their correspondent are working for a better, more fair BH/Jedi system, Jedi are cutting their own throats. The Ryatt trail issue, the Kashyyyk issue, visibility, dueling in starports, and being asshats. But worst of all... the real kicker here, is that Jedi are so spilt that they pursue nerfing each other. Talk about self destructive. When the jedi community decided to turn on themselves, there is when it seems that Jedi made their fatal blow.

The current jedi community has along way to go before I forsee anything positive coming to the community. You must learn to work together. You must begin to access your current situation, and find meaningful and realistic solutions to the problems. WIth power comes great responsibility. And in this game, with great power comes great peril. I think a series of small (at first) tradeoffs, power for risk... can begin to bring jedi in line.

As much as I hear that jedi don't want this, or don't want that... this game was designed with Jedi being a perilous journey, and until that is restored, jedi will be what it is today.

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Mr_Desert wrote:

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Twilekku wrote:

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Mr_Desert wrote:

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Grienthumb wrote:
I would love to NOT hear these whining posts .

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/agree

You are not getting nerfed, read the patch notes then tell us why you are being nerfed.

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Read the patch notes and tell us whats NOT being nerfed....

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Please tell me

1) Which of you current skills do not already have action cost

2) Please tell me the % of action cost for heals

3) Please tell me the effect the changes to action cost will have to CM's as well as other professions

4) Please tell me exactly what you have an issue with

Or go elsewhere

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Well apparentyl another non-jedi tring to tell jedi what is going on,

1) skills have action cost yes, so much in fact your strongest attack runs your action dry BEFORE you do any effective damage.

2) at a guess judgeing from the fact you get 5-6 hits before action pool is drained oh maybe 20-30%

3) CM's and other profesions will be winning the fights as most of them that actually fight have at minimum the heal tree of doc or CM and there base weapon does on average 500-1000dps higher then the best sabre on the sever.

4) issue is that a jedi should not be flat out owned by a guy who just bought the game last week, I can take hits all day long but if i attack ill be out of action and force anywhere between 3/4 and 1/2 while do to the massive healing ablitys of the skills i cant get I am still looking at a full HAM on the bh in question.

There stated intention of a timer for force channel and heal was because they want the jedi to have to step off from a fight to heal, great plan considering there is not a self respecting BH on the server that will let you go heal when he is near collecting his/her payout. If you were smart it was possible to get away from the bh and maybe recharge mind or force now any basic snare will stop your step off from the fight to heal which equals many dead jedi and no dead BH.

once again SOE has decided that one class such as jedi do to there inablity to think causeing a jedi population explosion means we all have to die now repeatedly to make us quit the game thereby fixing there screwup. great plan, kill subscriptions. go soe.

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Jedi_Xan wrote:

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TheNarcis wrote:

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Jedi_Xan wrote:

Jediare the reason for their own demise. Jedi who think only about themself, and not the good of the game. Jedi who refuse to self-govern. Jedi who insist on gank squads, and clone zerging. Jedi who think it's fun to go around deathblowing noobs. Jedi who want all power, and no risk. The whines, the crying, the abuse has only gotten the Jedi nerfed more and more. Jedi who refuse to accept that there are consequences for their actions continue to cry about how bad they have it, when their are other professions which have been permabroken since the game came out.

If you truely want to see Jedi get better. If you truely want power. If you truely want the hate toward Jedi to stop, then you must do what needs to be done. Whining, crying, negative reinforcment has only gotten you broken more. It will not stop. It will only get worse. UNLESS, you make the change within you as a whole. Everyone must do their part to make jedi better for the game, and a value to the community.

If you continue to neglect the many warnings which have been stated over and over the last 20 months or so. Some people are so hard headed. They refuse to see the bigger picture. If you want more power, offer to give up something in return. Let's bring Jedi back to where it was before. Powerful, but a very perilous life wrought with danger. That made the profession alot of fun and without it.... well... as you can plainly see, it is just not much fun anymore.

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All this would make sence, except its working for BH.

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the truth is, it was not BH whining that brought changes to the game. Tanks was a very good communicator, and overall he worked really hard for not only the BH profession, but other professions as well. He always worked towards a better game. He is alot of the reason why BH got so much attention.

Let's look at something though. While BH (the most influential BH's in the forum, are in fact, not whining) and their correspondent are working for a better, more fair BH/Jedi system, Jedi are cutting their own throats. The Ryatt trail issue, the Kashyyyk issue, visibility, dueling in starports, and being asshats. But worst of all... the real kicker here, is that Jedi are so spilt that they pursue nerfing each other. Talk about self destructive. When the jedi community decided to turn on themselves, there is when it seems that Jedi made their fatal blow.

The current jedi community has along way to go before I forsee anything positive coming to the community. You must learn to work together. You must begin to access your current situation, and find meaningful and realistic solutions to the problems. WIth power comes great responsibility. And in this game, with great power comes great peril. I think a series of small (at first) tradeoffs, power for risk... can begin to bring jedi in line.

As much as I hear that jedi don't want this, or don't want that... this game was designed with Jedi being a perilous journey, and until that is restored, jedi will be what it is today.

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Well if you did not see the massive BH whine then your not paing attention. Granted most of the BH that did the whineing were repecers that thought by respecing to BH they could get easy money when they found out it was actually gonna be some works oh the cring!!

Dueling in star ports was a side effect of the devs makeing pvp score a required method of jedi advancement, hard to stay out of sight and away from the people when your required to kill them to progress.

Fact of the matter is the blame lays soley withSOE and there complete lack of ablity to think a situation throughAND test it before it goes live. I cant count the number of times something that was qobviously out of wack in test center made it to live and then they scrammble to try to fix it although it was the exactsame issue they had been told of in test center.

SOE made the choice to make jedi so easy due to nothing more then the doller signs they saw from the numbers saing most players wanted to be a jedi, instead of sticking to there guns and makeing a plan to keep jedi to only the most dedicated players they instead came dangerously close to makeing the game bh vs jedi. now they are scrammbleing yet again to fix there mistakes. there choosen solution is to make sure jedi die any time they fight again thinking in there misguided thinking that this will make people play other toons in fact its makeing these people leave.Look around see how many people there are, there was a time any decent sized city orany starport you would see at least a couple people comeing and going if you stood there just a min or 2 or a run across a planetyou would see a person or two on there way somewhere else. nowI have run across many of the planets useing fr1 (not all that fast) and see no one, when i reach a city i MIGHT see 5 people.

Basically they need to start thinking of the game and not tring to kill a class as a result of there screw ups and stop with the expansions till they actually fix the dang thing.

Yes they could...the question is will they?......................................

NO