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Thread: Would you delete your Jedi for PRE-CU????
Unlike pre-CU, the game is actually fun now for a change.
abbink wrote:
no way. pre-cu wasnt all that great. Unless of course you were a doctor making millions sitting afk 24/7 buffing people with macros.
lol they still do that except now they have NO expenses for buffpacks
Limobacca wrote:
abbink wrote:
no way. pre-cu wasnt all that great. Unless of course you were a doctor making millions sitting afk 24/7 buffing people with macros.
lol they still do that except now they have NO expenses for buffpacks
guess how much I tip them
entertainers on the other hand, I tip them alot now that they need to be atk to give me crafting buffs. Unless they're using a illegal program to afk it.
the CU is terrible IMO
i miss HAm bars, level system is for 8 year olds (8 year olds dude)
the pve system is horrible now
hell yes and here's just a few of the reasons...
Unlike most people giving their opinions I couldn't care less about pvp. I was tkm/commando pre-cu and I could throw down in pvp pre-cu but it didn't float my boat. I preferred to pve. To me the most fun thing was storing my bike and running across Dath killing anything that moved. Fort Tusken was still a place that could kill you if you weren't careful. Combat was fast and I wasn't forced to group with anyone. I could do my own thing at any time without having to wait to form up a group.
Now? Now combat is slow. I spend my time watching cooldown timers instead of the combat on the screen. Can't say that watching a goofy bright icon constantly is that much fun. Yes, I'm glad buffs are gone. That was a pain in the ass, but the combat lvls are even more so. I feel for the new player in swg. Pick up groups won't bat an eye at them because they're too worried about rushing to get another FS box. Sure I see new players everyday...but about 3 days later I never see them again.
Pre-Cu you could go out an level up on your own. I spent hours running in circles from nunas outside of Anchorhead to reach master marksman. It was slow, but it was fun. Not only that, but I felt like I accomplished something back then. I recently regrinded my alt to combat profession and that feeling was definetly not there. Get in a group, kill picket after picket, and train. Pre-cu you could go to any planet and kill something to level up. True hunting died with the CU. Now everyone is forced to group and run mind numbing missions over and over. Where's the fun in that. The CU did bring some good things to the game, but in my opinion it brought a lot more negative than good.
Flame away if you want, but realize that some players don't give a rat's a@@ about pvp. People like me liked to load into the game and just go explore and play. If someone wants to wish for the pre-cu...let them. That's their choice. If you hated it pre-cu....enjoy the game now and let the others think back on when they truly loved the game. but that's just me.
Darkknight109 wrote:
jugs wrote:
Alot of ppl say they would go back to it in a heartbeat but never actually state what the reasons are.
My Example....Yes....I like Pre-CU in the sense that we had LS-Dmg and animations were great etc....but the thing I dont like is the old combat queue....simply spamming specials over and over. IMO the cooldowns (and to a certain extent warmups) make you think about your next move and make combat more exciting even if the overall system still has many flaws.
If it were possible to have the was combat work as it standsnow with some of the old Pre-CU things like LS dmg and animations, power .....not to mention Doctors actually crafting meds and using them instead of magically curing you......dancers/musicians giving mind buffs...and the list of other professions that once meant something that are now very much obsolete...then YES....i'd gladly go back.
A lot of people don't say their reasons because they're implied and if a full list was printed, it would take up multiple posts.
A few of my reasons:
1) The new interface is TERRIBLE!!
2) The particle effects are gaudy and unrealistic
3) The level system is poorly conceived, and destroyed one of the most original things in the game.
4) People are STILL soloing every bloody creature in the game, it just takes a different set of skills.
5) Am I the only one who actually liked the look of composite armour?
6) I would love to be able to wear my sets of Stormtrooper, Scout trooper, Assault trooper, RIS and composite armour again, even if just for show. Same goes for some of the cool-looking weapons I've looted, like the Necrosis Nightblade
7) Docs actually crafting medicine instead of using healing spells
8) The creatures were more realistically balanced. My current CL-1 alt would never get mauled and killed by an angry bunny (frenzied durni) in the old system.
9) /mourn AT-ST. If it wasn't almost COMPLETELY useless before, it sure is now...
10) Groups are a hassle. Hard to avoid vis, hard to get together, hard to keep together.
11) The over-equalization of weapons, armour, etc, along with the introduction of far better, easy-to-get quest loot has screwed over crafters and made the industry far less competitive than it used to be. Same deal in PvP, one fencer/swordsman/carbineer/whatever is essentially the same as the next.
12) I miss my HAM bar....
13) Entertainers actually used to DO something, besides provide a bonus to XP. How far they have fallen...
14) The game has turned from "Whack the other guy's mind and hit him with the uberest DOT" warinto "Heal and defensive mods" wars. Though the old system was flawed, I did prefer it. None of this hour-long PvP garbage....
15) Three words: FRS. Well, it's kinda three words, if you count each letter as a word....
16) Decent DPS sabers.
17) Diversity in weapons types. No one cares about elemental damage, or even energy vs. kinetic damage any more, it's just the overall DPS that matters. Stun was overpowered, but that could have been easily fixed.
18) Templates have been restricted. For many months before I became a Jedi I would have one combat prof forhologrinding/FS grindingand one non-combat prof forwhen I decided I needed a break from the grind. Not possible to do that anymore, as your CL will be under 50 and you will be nigh-on useless.
19) The option was available to grind solo. Yes, it was pretty much all anyone ever did and I'm not saying that part was right, but I'd still like the option to be able to grind solo and still be able to finish my template in under 10 years.
20) There was still some semblance of a GCW. It wasn't the greatest thing ever, but it was still there.
21) Med centers are now nothing more than big decorations.
.....do you still want more examples, or should I stop now?
Message Edited by Darkknight109 on 09-30-2005 12:39 AM
Very Good reponce,
There has been very little improvement in the game, and as fare as Combat balance( what was promise), never happened. Craftings been dumbed down, the level system is just sad, and the 8 member group thing is one of the worse changes made. athough I only had 1 week to playmy jedi pre-publish 9, I feel it was a much better system, and even though the grind system was not balanced, (ie you had to guess the correct 8 professions) It got peeps to play around other peeps, in the player cities, Cantina's were always full.
Yes I go back, it was a very well designed system. It only needed some tweeking not new code.
Message Edited by Bughunt on 09-30-2005 01:26 AM
A few of my reasons:
1) The new interface is TERRIBLE!!
The only differance is the colored Icons which many of us like
2) The particle effects are gaudy and unrealistic
How does one choose what is or is not realistic in a SCI-FI mmorpg enviroment...?
3) The level system is poorly conceived, and destroyed one of the most original things in the game.
Has always been in place just not viewable to players but yes there always was a Level system in game... Like Most ROLE playing games
4) People are STILL soloing every bloody creature in the game, it just takes a different set of skills.
Not everyOne likes being forced to Be grouped and have to rely on others. ANd soloing can be done if you know how to use your character good if you can't then you aren't using your full potenional, But do you really like the idea of forced to group ???
5) Am I the only one who actually liked the look of composite armour?
Still avaible in game , And comp looks cool... 80 guys at a starport all in comp armor???? not cool
6) I would love to be able to wear my sets of Stormtrooper, Scout trooper, Assault trooper, RIS and composite armour again, even if just for show. Same goes for some of the cool-looking weapons I've looted, like the Necrosis Nightblade
Not all of us feel a Need to show off our looting abilities in public, nor need to wear non functional armor... tho I supose you are right that the devs should give a no armor value display feature for many ppl that do like to show off thererare Items. and possibly promote sales , I agree with you here if only in part, but CL 1 day 1 NOOB in triple layer comp was out of game balance.
7) Docs actually crafting medicine instead of using healing spells
The Doc is the only one that knows the differance here Pre CU was the same stuff with a lil heart floating out of the heavens onto your head ..... thats not magical?
8) The creatures were more realistically balanced. My current CL-1 alt would never get mauled and killed by an angry bunny (frenzied durni) in the old system.
I think this part is seeing the unattanble past as glory days... today is much easier for noobs to level, not even sure what point you tried to make with this statement other then you pised off a group of CL 15 Duri with your crafter and got stampeded. that why we get 250 SP if you over specialize you become weak in other areas true with any thing In game or RL and PRE CU
9) /mourn AT-ST. If it wasn't almost COMPLETELY useless before, it sure is now...
You meen ppl explotiong missions and Rancor and Kryat using there AT ST to kill was better??? yes its true Imperial heavy pet AT ST is now only vailid in def or assualt on faction bases you can no longer kill masses of ewoks with them... tho the empire did in th e movie don't meen its right
10) Groups are a hassle. Hard to avoid vis, hard to get together, hard to keep together.
Its called a friends list... we use them and never have any trouble ever forming groups or getting into a currently operating group.. pre-CU was no differnt infact the differnce is PRE CU you got vis even while grouped and had to solo on endor alone!!!!!
11) The over-equalization of weapons, armour, etc, along with the introduction of far better, easy-to-get quest loot has screwed over crafters and made the industry far less competitive than it used to be. Same deal in PvP, one fencer/swordsman/carbineer/whatever is essentially the same as the next.
CU = Combat upgrade and re-balance. OMG how can you complain there is no longer a I WIN template!!!! how dare you even wish for the MR mind shot days back...unless you were the guy with the kryat tissue jawa gun that ran at 50m from his target and ambushed ppl getting missions in there own faction bases to get FP ......
12) I miss my HAM bar....
You miss Mind pool draining ppl... hmmm were you a Pike man or CM or rifleman in pre CU???
13) Entertainers actually used to DO something, besides provide a bonus to XP. How far they have fallen...
THere all still afk .. just they can't special buff you until there back so you miss the free buffs from bots that were never really on line anyway.... hahah
14) The game has turned from "Whack the other guy's mind and hit him with the uberest DOT" warinto "Heal and defensive mods" wars. Though the old system was flawed, I did prefer it. None of this hour-long PvP garbage....
Never seen some one so drastically contridict there own staement in so few words.... that must have taken alot of effort..... so basically you didn't like the old and don't like the new.... people like you need to consider a new game and let all of us that love it now be happy .. THEY SAID there will not be a pre cu server EVER ...reapatly ... so why do you ppl keep this going
15) Three words: FRS. Well, it's kinda three words, if you count each letter as a word....
Jedi ...force to kill non Jedi... ok maybe as a dark Jedi knight that would almost makes sense..... for a light Jedi.... you miss being a PvP god killing noobs at starports for rating all day long.... really ... you think thats what Jedi is leave the game now and try actually watching the movies before asking for your Im better I win button
16) Decent DPS sabers.
I have a 350 DPS saber and kill most BH... not all... Most .. and its even and fair..sure better is nice but if you use some stratigy and tactics you can win.... just there is no longer I beat you macros in game is all
17) Diversity in weapons types. No one cares about elemental damage, or even energy vs. kinetic damage any more, it's just the overall DPS that matters. Stun was overpowered, but that could have been easily fixed.
ASK a BH if any armor will do... and they will laugh in your face the explain how hard it is to save up for that special anti - Jedi RIS armor
18) Templates have been restricted. For many months before I became a Jedi I would have one combat prof forhologrinding/FS grindingand one non-combat prof forwhen I decided I needed a break from the grind. Not possible to do that anymore, as your CL will be under 50 and you will be nigh-on useless.
True in Pre CU as its is now...your just trying to find stuff to cry about
19) The option was available to grind solo. Yes, it was pretty much all anyone ever did and I'm not saying that part was right, but I'd still like the option to be able to grind solo and still be able to finish my template in under 10 years.
NOTE your # 3 post ...so which is you can or can't solo stuff...make up your mind at least when you cry arround...sheesh
20) There was still some semblance of a GCW. It wasn't the greatest thing ever, but it was still there.
The war is more active now then ever before ... the fact you can fight for control over the planetts ..and see actually effect is cool.... I think you have not played the game and just read the forums.......
21) Med centers are now nothing more than big decorations.
AS aposed to full of afk tumblers and medics going from novice to master in less then 30 min... yeah Im glad there empty now...
.....do you still want more examples, or should I stop now?
I think ... before making a flame on the best thing to happen to SWg... making the game use all armors weapons and combat professions and asking for your old school I WIN Im UBER button and macro for mind shot and all the other nonsense you poored onto this page you should at least think about your complaining ....
1) they said there will never be PRE CU server...so give it up....
2) if you hate the new system and other stuff so much.... no one is forceing you to pay ....head out... there is the door... and I know it might blow you away that alot of ppl like the new BALANCED system...its not perfect... but ... neither is life...
3) you contricdicted yourself so many times Im not going to count...
The CU is not going anyway... its SWG ... accept it or move on to a new game... bottom line.
Well, I was a Jedi Pre-CU as well, but let me think....
Mediocre character in a good game
vs.
Cool, yet mediocre-supposed-to-be-godly character in a crappy game.
I would drop my Jedi box in half a second if it would mean going back to Pre-CU.
Alot of ppl say they would go back to it in a heartbeat but never actually state what the reasons are.
My Example....Yes....I like Pre-CU in the sense that we had LS-Dmg and animations were great etc....but the thing I dont like is the old combat queue....simply spamming specials over and over. IMO the cooldowns (and to a certain extent warmups) make you think about your next move and make combat more exciting even if the overall system still has many flaws.
If it were possible to have the was combat work as it standsnow with some of the old Pre-CU things like LS dmg and animations, power .....not to mention Doctors actually crafting meds and using them instead of magically curing you......dancers/musicians giving mind buffs...and the list of other professions that once meant something that are now very much obsolete...then YES....i'd gladly go back.
x_Damion_x wrote:
I would. Pre-CU was JAWesome...
Message Edited by x_Damion_x on 09-29-2005 09:56 PM
must be a 2x xp respec jedi that was once a pvp god in the old system, but is now a person that respec BH's farm credits off of.