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Thread: TH & Tiggs, Please Read Visibility Griefing

ShinjoKazuki
Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:27 pm
#14

Schadwe13 wrote:

furlock1 wrote:

Schadwe13 wrote:

KammaRocca wrote:

Schadwe13 wrote:
Here's one for you all. We did this the other day to a BH that was grief-vising us. He had us on /follow and went afk. We separated to find out who he was attached to. Once we found out who it was, that person took the BH for a "little trip" to the DJMs (or whatever they are) on the island next to the MO on Dant. Poof! Dead BH, and we continued with our grinding.

If you don't want visibility, don't grind on Dantooine of all places.




Go away, troll. You get these BH no matter when planet you're on. Had them on Tatooine and Dath. You'll find out when you've played a while. Some BH just go out of their way to look for grind groups on ANY planet to vis-grief.



vis-grief? Hmm new word wow. Visibility + Griefing, its not really Griefing so your definition is off, its more like Visilbilty + Harassing if anything, or could be Visibility + Awe, who knows but your using the wrong term.



Here ya go, Noob. Webster's definition of Grief:

n.
1. A source of deep mental anguish.
2. Annoyance or frustration. (eg. Trying to follow their directions was nothing but grief.)

I'm pretty sure it falls under #2. Time for you to go back to school, eh?



charging 100 mil for a jetpack is griefing than by the community against 1 player who wants one but cant afford it then.. or spammers who piss you off while in theed...



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Ulrek_Oden
Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:39 pm
#15
LOL I love this thread soooo funny.



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KammaRocca
Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:40 pm
#16




Schadwe13 wrote:




Go away, troll. You get these BH no matter when planet you're on. Had them on Tatooine and Dath. You'll find out when you've played a while. Some BH just go out of their way to look for grind groups on ANY planet to vis-grief.



I'm absolutely serious. You know how vis givers find Jedi to give vis to? It's because Jedi either pick the popular places among the general populace or the (not so) secret Jedi grinding spot to grind from.There are some places that are so crowded with Jedi that it's impossible to go in a straight line in any direction without running into at least one or two grinding groups--Dantooine Mining Outpost is especially crowded. As a bounty hunter, I even once inadvertently used a lair to hide in that was being occupied by a different Jedi grinding group. If Jedi weren't so darned predictable, it'd be a lot harder for people to give vis and would lead to more interesting hunts--you haven't lived until you've crawled under cover for 20 minutes on Yavin IV not even knowing if your mark is still there because seekers break cover.


By the way, I have played a while and I've learned that unless they're AFK in their house, there are only four places on Tatooine you'll ever track a Jedi to, either Theed or Moenia on Naboo(and they're almost always going to be SF), one place on Rori (but they never stay there very long--there must be a Jedi shop somewhere), or the Death Watch Bunker. And I've spent the majority of my time around the Imp Prison on Dath this past week--it's not as secluded as you might think.
sm1550
Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:40 pm
#17
I have little doubt that the person/people doing this were bh's or just couple kids who have nothing better to do that to interrupt some jedi's gameplay, but don't forget that there are still a few people that don't know how vis works and think its neat to see a jedi (rare and hardly ever seen anymore, but still around...have seen a few over the past couple days on dant myself).


that being said, just ask them to move, don't be a jerk and order them or yell at them about how noobish they are for giving you vis, just ask politely. if they respond in the typical 'har har, i don't care i'm just here to cause you vis' mentality, then move along to another area to grind. if they follow you to the next area, still doing nothing but standing within 32m to cause vis, it IS reportable.


there is nothing wrong with someone (or a group) standing there watching you. but if you ask them to leave and they simply follow you around and do nothing else, their intentions can be inferred from their actions and i have seen several people (bh's usually) get temp-banned by crs's for doing harrassment.


as to the rules of vis and bh's not causing vis, i'm happy with them how they are (actuallyI kind of wish they would reimplement saber tef - if they give back to jedi a bit of the power that's been lost). bh's most certainly should be able to create their own work. heck, they are supposed to be the people that live for the almighty credit. if my alt bh (rp'ing) were to see a non-same faction person using jedi skills and in my line of work had become familiar with someone that hated all jedi, i sure as hell would let this 'employer' know and set myself up with a bounty.

En-Sabah-Nur
Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:44 pm
#18

It's funny to me at times when I read things like this. When Jedi grinded pre-cu they had 200k experiance loss from death to a nuna. Yet enough players complained so they removed it. Bounty Hunters were able to see the level of a targetand their name on the terminals. So the Jedi wined and it was changed. Among the other parts regarding hunting them. Tef's and so on. Somethings were shifted into the Bounty Hunter's favor and was swiftly removed of course because it was "Unfair". But the age old "Vis" which Jedi have always had the risk of because you are a Jedi and are the enemy of the Empire and in my opinion a welcomed consequence for the abilities when finished template.


Of course then there are the sabers. "OMG my saber sucks and those older Jedi have uber sabers. Nerf theirs and make mine stronger... It's unfair." Yes oh no the Jedi is not uber because they're starting out and need to find the perfect tunes to make a decent saber. Guess what it's easily fixed if they let premiums drop again but still the cry to nerf the last bit that makes a Pre-CU Jedi have a slight advantage grinding from the old system. Jedi now can grind in groups without generating Vis. If you all had to grind as Jedi did not even a year ago you would be crying buckets but Jedi did it day and night. They had no defense but dodge food and saber block. They had to pay doctor's for buffs every time they leveled and depending were lucky enough to get 100k xp per hour with MLS. The grind to MLS could takea month in it'self if grinded fairly steadily. Yet they are the ones who have to be nerfed to make it easier for all the Jedi just starting out now.


Everything has to be nerfed to make all these new Jedi have an easier life than the life other Jedi have had before many of these new jedi even started playing SWG.


Rant over



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Dlek_Krego
Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:56 pm
#19




RAMBOW wrote:




TheCapn2000 wrote:




KODAKSTEVENS wrote:
thanks , i know what todo in my spare time now




its a bannable offense...but please go ahead and try it...





It is not a bannable offense so I can just stop you right there... I have been a BH for well over a year, I have hunted Jedi since droids didnt work... I have followed jedi around with /follow making them stop grinding because they said "You cant follow me its griefing and a bannable offense" So I told them to report me and I continued to follow them around and gain them vis.... did I ever get banned or warned? Nope I did not. It was what we called Collecting Information, back in the days when a BH actually needed Information on their marks....


Bottom line, all you carebear jedi need to zip it because you have it so easy now its unreal.






And it's actions like this that makes me feel the player bounty system is the worst idea ever implemented in this game. Because folks like Rave here feel it is a license to grief others.


It's your right to hunt your mark AFTER you have his mission, it is not your right to grief them onto the terms just so you can hunt them. BIG difference.





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Vegitaa
Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:58 pm
#20
Simple solution... only grind (especially spingroup) with people you know. It's pretty bad when people pull this on purpose, but IMHO even worse are Jedi Group newbs who come running up to join the group and give everyone vis cause they didn't know better. Best bet, grind with friends/guildies/folks you've met in groups before.



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Leatherneck_of_Alderaan
Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:58 pm
#21




Dlek_Krego wrote:





RAMBOW wrote:




TheCapn2000 wrote:




KODAKSTEVENS wrote:
thanks , i know what todo in my spare time now




its a bannable offense...but please go ahead and try it...





It is not a bannable offense so I can just stop you right there... I have been a BH for well over a year, I have hunted Jedi since droids didnt work... I have followed jedi around with /follow making them stop grinding because they said "You cant follow me its griefing and a bannable offense" So I told them to report me and I continued to follow them around and gain them vis.... did I ever get banned or warned? Nope I did not. It was what we called Collecting Information, back in the days when a BH actually needed Information on their marks....


Bottom line, all you carebear jedi need to zip it because you have it so easy now its unreal.






And it's actions like this that makes me feel the player bounty system is the worst idea ever implemented in this game. Because folks like Rave here feel it is a license to grief others.


It's your right to hunt your mark AFTER you have his mission, it is not your right to grief them onto the terms just so you can hunt them. BIG difference.




I'm amused when a member of a profession that can be mastered in 2-3 days tells a member of a profession that takes 15-18 weeks to even START grinding that they have it easy.



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TrogdorrtheBurninator
Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:00 pm
#22

i understand how some young jedi do not like the visibility, but it is a part of the game play and was put there for this exact use... any player may stop to give you vis. it is his right to enhance his gameplay. he is not greifing you, you are a jedi and visibility comes with the territory. most people would tell you that it is a bad thing. but i myself am a jedi and trust me, when you finish your temp you will be looking for ways to get on the boards just for some action...


my best advice is to stay away from highly populated areas if this is something you do not want... I.E. Dantooine. my guess is that is where u were grinding, if so maybe a change of location might make u happier...


point being, stop crying. you are jedi, get used to the idea that people want you dead





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excalibur745
Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:02 pm
#23




silversaber wrote:




WookieOgre wrote:

There is nothing to stop you from telling your group to go somewhere else.


There is also nothing stopping them from following you iether.


This Point Is Irrelevant.


You really can't change the system anymore unless they just remove BH missions altogether.


Not true. They can change it lotsa ways. Maybe make it so player chars cannot cause visibility, just NPC chars.


Congrats, you just defeated the whole purpose, now you will have more Jedi Dueling in cities.


btw, why exactly are you afraid to die. Most spin groups will make up a non-completed templates lost xp within 30 mins.



Irrelevant. Many try to stay off of the terminals because theydon't want PvP. A case can be made that those trying to cause visibility is trying to force PvP on others non-consentually. This needs to be stopped.


When you took up the rank Padawan, you gave up the right to whine about "FORCED" PvP, by being a Jedi you acknowledge that a Bounty Hunter can attack you at anytime.













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abbink
Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:03 pm
#24

silversaber wrote:

WookieOgre wrote:

There is nothing to stop you from telling your group to go somewhere else.

There is also nothing stopping them from following you iether.

You really can't change the system anymore unless they just remove BH missions altogether.

Not true. They can change it lotsa ways. Maybe make it so player chars cannot cause visibility, just NPC chars.

btw, why exactly are you afraid to die. Most spin groups will make up a non-completed templates lost xp within 30 mins.

Irrelevant. Many try to stay off of the terminals because theydon't want PvP. A case can be made that those trying to cause visibility is trying to force PvP on others non-consentually. This needs to be stopped.





Heres and idea. Make it so the NPC cities and faction NPC's cause vis and nothing else. Example if youre standing around in Theed showing off you jediness you are going to quicly end up on the terminals. If youre showing off your jediness in the wilds infront of storm troopers or rebel commandos you are going to generate vis and end up on the terminals but at a less rate than showing off in a city.






Too often players and the devs have a mindset that professions should be balanced with 1 on 1 pvp in mind. This mindset is ruining the game. The benchmark for balance should be determined by the role a profession plays in a group setting. As long as the current mindset continues we will never see uniqueness among the professions, nor will we ever see individuality within a given profession. We will never see the SWG universe expanded as the focus will only ever be balance pass after balance pass after balance pass.


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sm1550
Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:05 pm
#25




En-Sabah-Nur wrote:


It's funny to me at times when I read things like this. When Jedi grinded pre-cu they had 200k experiance loss from death to a nuna. Yet enough players complained so they removed it. Bounty Hunters were able to see the level of a targetand their name on the terminals. So the Jedi wined and it was changed. Among the other parts regarding hunting them. Tef's and so on. Somethings were shifted into the Bounty Hunter's favor and was swiftly removed of course because it was "Unfair". But the age old "Vis" which Jedi have always had the risk of because you are a Jedi and are the enemy of the Empire and in my opinion a welcomed consequence for the abilities when finished template.


Of course then there are the sabers. "OMG my saber sucks and those older Jedi have uber sabers. Nerf theirs and make mine stronger... It's unfair." Yes oh no the Jedi is not uber because they're starting out and need to find the perfect tunes to make a decent saber. Guess what it's easily fixed if they let premiums drop again but still the cry to nerf the last bit that makes a Pre-CU Jedi have a slight advantage grinding from the old system. Jedi now can grind in groups without generating Vis. If you all had to grind as Jedi did not even a year ago you would be crying buckets but Jedi did it day and night. They had no defense but dodge food and saber block. They had to pay doctor's for buffs every time they leveled and depending were lucky enough to get 100k xp per hour with MLS. The grind to MLS could takea month in it'self if grinded fairly steadily. Yet they are the ones who have to be nerfed to make it easier for all the Jedi just starting out now.


Everything has to be nerfed to make all these new Jedi have an easier life than the life other Jedi have had before many of these new jedi even started playing SWG.


Rant over




i agree that the whining about saber nerfing should stop.the only solution that the community as a whole should be shouting for is that the devsneed to make(even remotely) possible to loot high end pearls/crystals again.


however, grinding pre-cu was not that hard. I actually preferred it since things were soloable at a reasonable xp rate, so (once i had my doc alt set-up) I could go out and grind wheneveri felt like and not search for a competent group. the only annoying thing aboutpre-cu jedi grindngwas that unless you had a buffbot or alt, you had to waste 15-30 minutes (if a doc was even online if you played very late at night/early morning) to even begin grinding. as for 100k/hour, please don't exaggerate. at 4000 LS I was find soloing wild rancor lairs, grassland voritors, seething bols, etc. and earning easily 600-800k xp per 3 hourbuff session using a first generation saber (since back then it actually was feasibleto grind with something other than a 4th gen saber).

Dlek_Krego
Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:09 pm
#26

I think the BEST solution to this problem is to do what many others have stated before... Limit visibility towithin NPC City limits... That way it is those who are running around Theed and C'net flashing their powers/sabers that are punished, and not those out grinding in the wilderness are doing what they should, and staying out of the public eye.


but to balance it, increase the visibilty and the penalties for death, so that when you do get caught dueling in NPC city limits, it's enough to deter ya from repeating the mistake.


And before we start with the whole "But that can't happen, can't give the padawans a free ride to grinding!!!!" let me just say this, I guarantee this argument is coming from those who completed their templates, and here is why...


Once we complete our temp, xp loss means next to nothing as a penalty, so as a finished temp, you are free to run around in public and abuse your powers freely with little risk, while those who grind out in the wilderness, out of the public eye are being hit with all the penalties. Changing the rules as stated above will punish those who abuse their powers, and not the ones who are trying to hide.... that seems a bit fair, right?

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