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Thread: So I dueled a Master Defender last night...

hamhamthe3rd
Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:11 pm
#14
precu jedi does NOT translate into cu experience. different systems, different ways of fighting.
glim3mer
Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:38 pm
#15




mauvros wrote:

Master Defender templates is easy to beat.



Aside from the great damage they can withstand they cant dish it out as much as a MLS with Force Speed 2.



Avoid Incap can be very annoying and throw you off your game if you dont know what do do.



Beat the target down until he AI's



Stop attacking, concentrate only on heals.
Attack as needed to keep the targets health as close to zero as possible
Hover mouse over AI icon and watch the timer.
When the counter reaches 10 start counting it down in your head and move the mouse to an attack special
When you reach 2 in your head start beating on the target
This should take out the target before another AI is applied.
If the target is able to reapply before you kill them start it all over again. It may take 2 or 3 tries but you will get it in.







Why would a master defender need to use AI in a 1 v 1? unless he sucks. If your not a master defender and you can hold your own without AI dont you think that a master defender would hold his own as well as you without the need of AI?


I dont think your way of beating a Defender is well though. You just assume he will hit AI and then you can back up/cloak/stasis. But what if he is hitting you and healing just like you would be doing? If a defender plays it right... I dont care who you are... he will never need AI in 1 v 1 situation unless he uses it to enter an offensive stance.


Defender is not needed for 1 v 1 fight. Defender is better in PvE and group PvP. 1 on 1 any template can do just as well against any other template assuming you both have same saber specs. I dont know how well powers with no saber would do though... but again... its the player not the skills that make someone good.





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hamhamthe3rd
Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:44 pm
#16




glim3mer wrote:




mauvros wrote:

Master Defender templates is easy to beat.



Aside from the great damage they can withstand they cant dish it out as much as a MLS with Force Speed 2.



Avoid Incap can be very annoying and throw you off your game if you dont know what do do.



Beat the target down until he AI's



Stop attacking, concentrate only on heals.
Attack as needed to keep the targets health as close to zero as possible
Hover mouse over AI icon and watch the timer.
When the counter reaches 10 start counting it down in your head and move the mouse to an attack special
When you reach 2 in your head start beating on the target
This should take out the target before another AI is applied.
If the target is able to reapply before you kill them start it all over again. It may take 2 or 3 tries but you will get it in.







Why would a master defender need to use AI in a 1 v 1? unless he sucks. If your not a master defender and you can hold your own without AI dont you think that a master defender would hold his own as well as you without the need of AI?


I dont think your way of beating a Defender is well though. You just assume he will hit AI and then you can back up/cloak/stasis. But what if he is hitting you and healing just like you would be doing? If a defender plays it right... I dont care who you are... he will never need AI in 1 v 1 situation unless he uses it to enter an offensive stance.


Defender is not needed for 1 v 1 fight. Defender is better in PvE and group PvP. 1 on 1 any template can do just as well against any other template assuming you both have same saber specs. I dont know how well powers with no saber would do though... but again... its the player not the skills that make someone good.






i agree with most of this. the best master defenders ive seen i didnt even know they were master defenders because they NEVER used aieven in group pvp. they really do use it as a last resort.
RyFord
Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:46 pm
#17




Shadow705 wrote:
Sploitz!




omg Shadow Night dies roflcopterz!!11!omgoneone!!!!



At any rate at one point my mind slipped a bit, so I roted him, ran away to break combat, and sat to regen my mind while he charged me, accpeted the kd, and got back up with close to full mind.





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Slaves of Wykyd


mauvros
Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:46 pm
#18




hamhamthe3rd wrote:




glim3mer wrote:




mauvros wrote:

Master Defender templates is easy to beat.



Aside from the great damage they can withstand they cant dish it out as much as a MLS with Force Speed 2.



Avoid Incap can be very annoying and throw you off your game if you dont know what do do.



Beat the target down until he AI's



Stop attacking, concentrate only on heals.
Attack as needed to keep the targets health as close to zero as possible
Hover mouse over AI icon and watch the timer.
When the counter reaches 10 start counting it down in your head and move the mouse to an attack special
When you reach 2 in your head start beating on the target
This should take out the target before another AI is applied.
If the target is able to reapply before you kill them start it all over again. It may take 2 or 3 tries but you will get it in.







Why would a master defender need to use AI in a 1 v 1? unless he sucks. If your not a master defender and you can hold your own without AI dont you think that a master defender would hold his own as well as you without the need of AI?


I dont think your way of beating a Defender is well though. You just assume he will hit AI and then you can back up/cloak/stasis. But what if he is hitting you and healing just like you would be doing? If a defender plays it right... I dont care who you are... he will never need AI in 1 v 1 situation unless he uses it to enter an offensive stance.


Defender is not needed for 1 v 1 fight. Defender is better in PvE and group PvP. 1 on 1 any template can do just as well against any other template assuming you both have same saber specs. I dont know how well powers with no saber would do though... but again... its the player not the skills that make someone good.






i agree with most of this. the best master defenders ive seen i didnt even know they were master defenders because they NEVER used aieven in group pvp. they really do use it as a last resort.





This is true and im sure there are good and bad M Defender PVPers. I guess ive fought all the bad ones.



I beat them down pretty fast so either they AI or they die....


Ryoma_Sakamoto
Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:52 pm
#19




RyFord wrote:

..on my Rifleman/Doctor. Toe to Toe he stood no chance. Then I left the duel and tanked 2 Jedi. Their DPS sabers were 349 and 409 respectively.


Then I dueled a Master Swordsman/Doctor on my Master Powers/3202Enhancer and won.


My saber is 560-660 and is post-CU. I also have 0044Sabers with non Armorbreak.


Could it be that people are just not good fighters? There's no way I should have won both.





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Tando_Hamoto
Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:56 pm
#20

Ryford wrote:




..on my Rifleman/Doctor. Toe to Toe he stood no chance. Then I left the duel and tanked 2 Jedi. Their DPS sabers were 349 and 409 respectively.




Boy those sabers sucked.....The 4th gen I crafted at novice sabers is better than those...Still I can't PVP for toffee so I should prolly shut up....



Tando
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DarFour
Fri Sep 09, 2005 1:56 pm
#21
Ok, guys, you are not providing the necessary information and context. BTW, if your saber is well over 730, is that like 799? or 1250?...what is well over mean? 731? If so, your trying to tell us you don't actually know? This is the kind a BS that shows how full of crap some people are in there effort to sound uber and yap their jaws.

Simple: Jedi with 300-400 dps sabers suck, it's not their skill that is the main problem. You aren't as good as you like to think, trust me.


Simple: Choke cuts through elites like butter...your not any better then them, you havean "i win button" over elites../clap?


Pwnd, now go cry to mommy


.....................



That part in orange there, summs it allllll up. well put bud.




--DarFour--




Fugitron
Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:00 pm
#22




mauvros wrote:



This is true and im sure there are good and bad M Defender PVPers. I guess ive fought all the bad ones.



I beat them down pretty fast so either they AI or they die....





Like I said, against an experienced PvPer Mdef the odds of hm actually needing to AI is slim to none. Typically if they have to AI the fight is already over.









Fugis L'dia
CHoL Founder and Tribunal Leader
"If you don't like us you must be Imp"


Jedi244
Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:01 pm
#23




Jedi244 wrote:

Rifleman/docs are easily put down using sap. I see jedi in my guild do it all the time. Sounds like the MDEF didn't know what he was doing though. Force Aura/Valor combined with the =35 block from mls and you would have been hitting nothing but air the majority of the time.





Make that +25. Heh.
DaniB
Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:05 pm
#24




RyFord wrote:




Shadow705 wrote:
Sploitz!




omg Shadow Night dies roflcopterz!!11!omgoneone!!!!



At any rate at one point my mind slipped a bit, so I roted him, ran away to break combat, and sat to regen my mind while he charged me, accpeted the kd, and got back up with close to full mind.






exactly this tactic makes fights against normal professionsa joke, they need to have some kind of longterm limiting bar too, hence reintroduce battlefatigue as their force bar ,-)
Jedi244
Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:06 pm
#25




Fugitron wrote:




mauvros wrote:

Master Defender templates is easy to beat.



Aside from the great damage they can withstand they cant dish it out as much as a MLS with Force Speed 2.



Avoid Incap can be very annoying and throw you off your game if you dont know what do do.



Beat the target down until he AI's



Stop attacking, concentrate only on heals.
Attack as needed to keep the targets health as close to zero as possible
Hover mouse over AI icon and watch the timer.
When the counter reaches 10 start counting it down in your head and move the mouse to an attack special
When you reach 2 in your head start beating on the target
This should take out the target before another AI is applied.
If the target is able to reapply before you kill them start it all over again. It may take 2 or 3 tries but you will get it in.







Won't work with an experienced PvPer.




Exactly. A MDEF that knows what he's doing won't even take enough damage to have to resort to using AI.
mauvros
Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:08 pm
#26

Fugitron wrote:

mauvros wrote:

This is true and im sure there are good and bad M Defender PVPers. I guess ive fought all the bad ones.
I beat them down pretty fast so either they AI or they die....

Like I said, against an experienced PvPer Mdef the odds of hm actually needing to AI is slim to none. Typically if they have to AI the fight is already over.





You can have all the experience you want. If you cant handle my DPS your gonna AI or die.


Granted my DPS is pretty high, maybe against someone with a not so powerful saber you may be right.

A Master Defender lacks one of 2 things...

DPS or healing.

At least with the cookie cutter templates.

DPS due to not having force speed 2.

Healing due to having force speed 2 but lacking in the healing branch.


PVE Master Defender owns. PVP 1 on 1 not so much.
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