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Jacella wrote:

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KeeferKman wrote:

Slash, I said it has been tested...they DO work, as intended, and they work exactly as I put in the original post.

Of the many tests I have done, not to mention the results posted by others confirming this...here is on simple example for you

equip gun, fight any animal (melee)you want...pop a vegesparine, watch damage NOT change at all. Unequip weapon...watch damage go DOWN! Re-quip gun, watch damage go up. Now try this with a saber (melee)

Message Edited by KeeferKman on 09-19-2005 03:16 PM

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Umm..this is worded funny. If I equip a gun, pop a veg and shoot at it...that's base damage. I unequip the gun, the damage is reduced to zero because I don't have a gun to shoot at it with, and when I reequip it, damage goes up because I am shooting again. Or is this not what you meant?

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Ok, so I lied a little bit...I'm posting a bit more

Jacella, you are a hoot!

I should have been a little more specific (I just assumed, you know assume =makes an AS*S out of U and ME

Everything in my OP has to do with damage TAKEN by others (if you want to increase damage output, thats another thread, and would likely involve using foods/drinks like Crispic, or Mushrooms, or Ale)

Vegesperine decreases damage only for melee players

Thundercloud decreases damage/misses only for ranged players

CA's with melee defense mods only decreases damage for melee players

CA's withranged defense mods only decreases damage for ranged players

I CANT MAKE IT ANY MORE SIMPLE, ITS HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE

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IonControl wrote:

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KeeferKman wrote:

For a melee character the food (vegeparsine) needs to be used, against both Melee and ranged oponents.

For a ranged character the drink (pica thundercloud) needs to be used against both ranged and melee oponents.

For a melee character equp melee defense mods (bio/ca/aa), against both Melee and ranged oponents.

For a ranged character equpranged defense mods (bio/ca/aa), against both ranged and melee oponents.

Always re-equip your weapon before combat, the newly added stats will not take effect until doing so

This has all been throroughly tested....trust me...save yourself millions from tapes, and space in your stomach for other valuable foods/drinks

Now don't say I never gave you nothin'

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Can you elaborate more? Seems like you would use ranged def stuff against ranged profs, even if you were melee. Is it a bug maybe or is there some logic I'm missing?

thx

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P.S your post only proves the need for me to have posted this. You, like me at one point, are simply confused as to what ranged defense means. The devs, or whoever, f*ked up the definition and confused people.

Ranged defense = defense for a ranged player (gun equiped)

Ranged defense does NOT = defense against ranged players

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Qwad wrote:

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KeeferKman wrote:
The Savior

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QFE. Vege does jack $hit. I've tested it. Gettin hit by CL 80 banthas for 180 dmg no FA active, then eat some vege, no difference in damage taken. At all.

Message Edited by Qwad on 09-19-2005 03:14 PM

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Please pay attention and welcome to the english language.

As stated previously "you must re-equip your weapon for the stats to take effect". Perhaps you are unaware of the fact your character's defensive and offensive "stats" are applied to your character when you equip your weapon. Or when clothing/armor is wornremoved with modifying attachments.

This means when you eat the "vege" the defensive modifiers will not work unless you unequip then reequip your weapon.

Thank you very much for your time. You have now been schooled.

Ranged defense = defense for a ranged player (gun equiped)

Ranged defense does NOT = defense against ranged players

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Now that is good to know.

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jalia wrote:

Translation -

The foods do work, just not how we have assumed.

We have assumed that because there is a melee defense mod that melee defense food should increase that mod.

Likewise with ranged defense food/drink. This is not the case at all, however.

The 'melee defense' or 'ranged defense' as applied BY THE FOOD refers not to the opponent's combat style, but the PLAYER'S

The 'test' which has been offered basically says that you can prove melee defense foods affects your defense ONLY when fighting melee style.

Now that the translation is out of the way, thank you Keefer for the post.

I must go test this myself, very interesting stuff here. I sure hope you are right.

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Thanks for your attempt to translate, I hope you are more successful than me. I am right. and you will soon thank me again.

I don't post these messages as a public service. I post them because I want people to appreciate me and thank me, cuz it feels good and I didn't get much love from my mother.

Now, time for my favorite quotes:

"Who am I to naysay the absence of complexity"

"Don't be fooled, excellence is not normal"

"Though your notions are many they don't add up to a penny"

I will await your feedback with an open heart

If you think I'm serious about any of this, you are a moron

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KeeferKman wrote:

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Jacella wrote:

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KeeferKman wrote:

Slash, I said it has been tested...they DO work, as intended, and they work exactly as I put in the original post.

Of the many tests I have done, not to mention the results posted by others confirming this...here is on simple example for you

equip gun, fight any animal (melee)you want...pop a vegesparine, watch damage NOT change at all. Unequip weapon...watch damage go DOWN! Re-quip gun, watch damage go up. Now try this with a saber (melee)

Message Edited by KeeferKman on 09-19-2005 03:16 PM

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Umm..this is worded funny. If I equip a gun, pop a veg and shoot at it...that's base damage. I unequip the gun, the damage is reduced to zero because I don't have a gun to shoot at it with, and when I reequip it, damage goes up because I am shooting again. Or is this not what you meant?

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Ok, so I lied a little bit...I'm posting a bit more

Jacella, you are a hoot!

I should have been a little more specific (I just assumed, you know assume =makes an AS*S out of U and ME

Everything in my OP has to do with damage TAKEN by others (if you want to increase damage output, thats another thread, and would likely involve using foods/drinks like Crispic, or Mushrooms, or Ale)

Vegesperine decreases damage only for melee players

Thundercloud decreases damage/misses only for ranged players

CA's with melee defense mods only decreases damage for melee players

CA's withranged defense mods only decreases damage for ranged players

I CANT MAKE IT ANY MORE SIMPLE, ITS HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE

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Did you do this test with a character with 0 unarmed defense and 0 whatever weapon you used defense? Switching weapons will cause different defense modifiers to come into play.

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Fitryshbri wrote:

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KeeferKman wrote:

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Jacella wrote:

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KeeferKman wrote:

Slash, I said it has been tested...they DO work, as intended, and they work exactly as I put in the original post.

Of the many tests I have done, not to mention the results posted by others confirming this...here is on simple example for you

equip gun, fight any animal (melee)you want...pop a vegesparine, watch damage NOT change at all. Unequip weapon...watch damage go DOWN! Re-quip gun, watch damage go up. Now try this with a saber (melee)

Message Edited by KeeferKman on 09-19-2005 03:16 PM

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Umm..this is worded funny. If I equip a gun, pop a veg and shoot at it...that's base damage. I unequip the gun, the damage is reduced to zero because I don't have a gun to shoot at it with, and when I reequip it, damage goes up because I am shooting again. Or is this not what you meant?

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Ok, so I lied a little bit...I'm posting a bit more

Jacella, you are a hoot!

I should have been a little more specific (I just assumed, you know assume =makes an AS*S out of U and ME

Everything in my OP has to do with damage TAKEN by others (if you want to increase damage output, thats another thread, and would likely involve using foods/drinks like Crispic, or Mushrooms, or Ale)

Vegesperine decreases damage only for melee players

Thundercloud decreases damage/misses only for ranged players

CA's with melee defense mods only decreases damage for melee players

CA's withranged defense mods only decreases damage for ranged players

I CANT MAKE IT ANY MORE SIMPLE, ITS HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE

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Did you do this test with a character with 0 unarmed defense and 0 whatever weapon you used defense? Switching weapons will cause different defense modifiers to come into play.

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Are you just trying to bust my ba*lls?

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Jispo wrote:

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Qwad wrote:

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KeeferKman wrote:
The Savior

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QFE. Vege does jack $hit. I've tested it. Gettin hit by CL 80 banthas for 180 dmg no FA active, then eat some vege, no difference in damage taken. At all.

Message Edited by Qwad on 09-19-2005 03:14 PM

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Please pay attention and welcome to the english language.

As stated previously "you must re-equip your weapon for the stats to take effect". Perhaps you are unaware of the fact your character's defensive and offensive "stats" are applied to your character when you equip your weapon. Or when clothing/armor is wornremoved with modifying attachments.

This means when you eat the "vege" the defensive modifiers will not work unless you unequip then reequip your weapon.

Thank you very much for your time. You have now been schooled.

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Did that make you feel big?

what if your master powers with some lightsabers? that would mean your ranged and mellee so how would it work then? lol

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KeeferKman wrote:

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Fitryshbri wrote:

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KeeferKman wrote:

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Jacella wrote:

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KeeferKman wrote:

Slash, I said it has been tested...they DO work, as intended, and they work exactly as I put in the original post.

Of the many tests I have done, not to mention the results posted by others confirming this...here is on simple example for you

equip gun, fight any animal (melee)you want...pop a vegesparine, watch damage NOT change at all. Unequip weapon...watch damage go DOWN! Re-quip gun, watch damage go up. Now try this with a saber (melee)

Message Edited by KeeferKman on 09-19-2005 03:16 PM

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Umm..this is worded funny. If I equip a gun, pop a veg and shoot at it...that's base damage. I unequip the gun, the damage is reduced to zero because I don't have a gun to shoot at it with, and when I reequip it, damage goes up because I am shooting again. Or is this not what you meant?

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Ok, so I lied a little bit...I'm posting a bit more

Jacella, you are a hoot!

I should have been a little more specific (I just assumed, you know assume =makes an AS*S out of U and ME

Everything in my OP has to do with damage TAKEN by others (if you want to increase damage output, thats another thread, and would likely involve using foods/drinks like Crispic, or Mushrooms, or Ale)

Vegesperine decreases damage only for melee players

Thundercloud decreases damage/misses only for ranged players

CA's with melee defense mods only decreases damage for melee players

CA's withranged defense mods only decreases damage for ranged players

I CANT MAKE IT ANY MORE SIMPLE, ITS HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE

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Did you do this test with a character with 0 unarmed defense and 0 whatever weapon you used defense? Switching weapons will cause different defense modifiers to come into play.

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Are you just trying to bust my ba*lls?

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Jispo wrote:

Please pay attention and welcome to the english language.

As stated previously "you must re-equip your weapon for the stats to take effect". Perhaps you are unaware of the fact your character's defensive and offensive "stats" are applied to your character when you equip your weapon. Or when clothing/armor is wornremoved with modifying attachments.

This means when you eat the "vege" the defensive modifiers will not work unless you unequip then reequip your weapon.

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Who has verified this? Some foods have an instant effect. For example, synthsteak works without having to re-equip weapon. Vayerbok appears to as well. Is it only vege and thundercloud that don't? Most foods apply when eaten so I would be inclined to doubt that only vege and thundercloud are the exception (though in SWG anything is possible). OP's point about equipping weapon was that if you unequip weapon and requip, you can see the change in stats (i.e. if I eat thunder with a ranged weap then unequip, dmg will go up since I'm now in a melee mode (fists) and will go back down when I equip rifle and go ranged again). I did not read anywhere that he said "food stats are only applied when weapon is equipped". Again, since the experience of the vast majority of players is that foods apply instantly, I'm inclined to doubt the above assertion without someone "proving" it