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Thread: PreCU: For those who remember and those who don't.
HanzoShinobi wrote:
ahh you know how that could have been fixed? put in a carbine and pistol with decent armor piercing. Scale the composite stats back a bit, introduce a mind stim to heal mind so you wont need any mind hits. That fix your problem there?
See that didnt require a whole retardation of the game.
The HAM bar was the game's major flaw that caused issue after issue, making a great amount of professions redundant, making 95% of all drinks redundant, making some stuff superexpensive such as mindfire/minddisease/mindpoison (none of which makes any sense). Making Wookiee's terrible becouse of their short mindbar, and making Mon Calamari overpowered.
Yes, they had to throw that out and rehaul the game from scratch to balance it... 2 years of attempts to balance it should have told you that.
felipz wrote:
MsNiL wrote:
Pre-cuwas like males. One button is all you need.
Post-cuis like females. Many buttons need to be pushed.
Did you try pvp pre-cu ?
Fixed, and yes. pvp pre-cu was a nobrainer at best. I was a TKM/4400 Fencer/0040 Pistoleer/0010 Smuggler and something more, I dont remember exactly. I got a VK produced out of nym vibromotors, a crate of psg's and a 90% composite. I believe I lost one single duel with that template, and that was becouse I started a new fight on full stomach. Intimidate was on macro, warcry was on macro, I just needed to swap between combo hit / UnarmedKnockdown and UnarmedHeadHit really. It was all about Knockdown/Dizzy back then.
Most of my opponents could do like 50-100 damage against me. They tried dots, but my regeneration was so great it didnt help. Duels took like 15-20 minutes and could ruin an entire set of armor.
Multiplayer fights was terrible... Like 90% of the players played either Swordman, Doctor, TKM or Rifleman. Even finding anything else was a rare sight. All respect to thoose guys.
Bounty Hunters where always 3000/TKM and when ADK's came it was useless to try to beat them, since even the maxed lightsaber did like 20-30 damage.
Jedi fights was all about swapping between heal, dervish and saberslash, heal, dervish and saberslash, heal, dervish and saberslash.
And actiondisease... Man... Really... I cant drop that subject... "ACTIONDISEASE"... "ACTIONDISEASING ENERGY RIFLES"... wt-f???
HanzoShinobi wrote:
ahh you know how that could have been fixed? put in a carbine and pistol with decent armor piercing. Scale the composite stats back a bit, introduce a mind stim to heal mind so you wont need any mind hits. That fix your problem there?
See that didnt require a whole retardation of the game.
Not everybody think "I am über" = fun.
Obi-don wrote:
So what? That was fun. It's better than the crap we have today.
felipz wrote:
MsNiL wrote:
Pre-cuwas like males. One button is all you need.
Post-cuis like females. Many buttons need to be pushed.
Have you tried pvp pre-cu ?
I think she refers to the Dizzy + KD combo. That was pre CU PvP. That or the spam of headshot to kill someones mind.
Post CU you actually have to try to alternate attacks.
your pre cu makes me laugh msnil.... u say kd dizzy ftw? what about KD food? or fight me pre cu... m swords/ m fencer/ m brawler. dabble tkm.....
A) u'd die faster than a bug in a zapper
B) have no chance in hell to kd or dizzy me.
C) cry about the game and cause the CU
That, and Dervish + Saberslash + Heal, which was Jedi combat at the time.
c0kes wrote:
I think she refers to the Dizzy + KD combo. That was pre CU PvP. That or the spam of headshot to kill someones mind.
Post CU you actually have to try to alternate attacks.
Some people talk the talk but they can't walk the walk. And here's a big example, Rifleman / Combat Medic, theycould take a regular melee stacker anyday and you are saying "I think I lost one single duel with that template". What you dueled like three people pre-cu !?
MsNiL wrote:
Fixed, and yes. pvp pre-cu was a nobrainer at best. I was a TKM/4400 Fencer/0040 Pistoleer/0010 Smuggler and something more, I don't remember exactly. I got a VK produced out of nym vibromotors, a crate of psg's and a 90% composite. I believe I lost one single duel with that template, and that was because I started a new fight on full stomach. Intimidate was on macro, warcry was on macro, I just needed to swap between combo hit / UnarmedKnockdown and UnarmedHeadHit really. It was all about Knockdown/Dizzy back then.
Most of my opponents could do like 50-100 damage against me. They tried dots, but my regeneration was so great it didn't help. Duels took like 15-20 minutes and could ruin an entire set of armor.
Multiplayer fights were terrible... Like 90% of the players played either Swordman, Doctor, TKM or Rifleman. Even finding anything else was a rare sight. All respect to those guys.
Bounty Hunters were always 3000/TKM and when ADK's came it was useless to try to beat them, since even the maxed lightsaber did like 20-30 damage.
Jedi fights were all about swapping between heal, dervish and saberslash, heal, dervish and saberslash, heal, dervish and saberslash.
And actiondisease... Man... Really... I can't drop that subject... "ACTIONDISEASE"... "ACTIONDISEASING ENERGY RIFLES"... wt-f???
MsNiL wrote:
felipz wrote:
MsNiL wrote:Pre-cu was like males. One button is all you need.Post-cu is like females. Many buttons need to be pushed.
Did you try pvp pre-cu ?
Fixed, and yes. pvp pre-cu was a nobrainer at best. I was a TKM/4400 Fencer/0040 Pistoleer/0010 Smuggler and something more, I dont remember exactly. I got a VK produced out of nym vibromotors, a crate of psg's and a 90% composite. I believe I lost one single duel with that template, and that was becouse I started a new fight on full stomach. Intimidate was on macro, warcry was on macro, I just needed to swap between combo hit / UnarmedKnockdown and UnarmedHeadHit really. It was all about Knockdown/Dizzy back then.
Most of my opponents could do like 50-100 damage against me. They tried dots, but my regeneration was so great it didnt help. Duels took like 15-20 minutes and could ruin an entire set of armor.
Multiplayer fights was terrible... Like 90% of the players played either Swordman, Doctor, TKM or Rifleman. Even finding anything else was a rare sight. All respect to thoose guys.Bounty Hunters where always 3000/TKM and when ADK's came it was useless to try to beat them, since even the maxed lightsaber did like 20-30 damage.
Jedi fights was all about swapping between heal, dervish and saberslash, heal, dervish and saberslash, heal, dervish and saberslash.
And actiondisease... Man... Really... I cant drop that subject... "ACTIONDISEASE"... "ACTIONDISEASING ENERGY RIFLES"... wt-f???
You're a little prissy one, aren't you? It looks like you don't even know what you're talking about.
1 - Nobody cares what you had Pre-CU.
2 - About the multiplayer fights, everyone was the same profession. Well, it's always been like that. But now 95% of the people are jedi. Other 4 % MBH/MCM Post CU. Pre it was about your gear, not your skills really. Thats what made it fun. Going out and hunting DoT lances. Now, what is there to loot?
3 - It was easy to beat TKM / BH's. Don't know where you goin with that.
4 - Jedi fights were fun Pre-CU. They were fast paced, deadly, and fun. And look at all the things your listing that jedi have to "swap". Now, Post CU, It's all Head hit / Leg hit / heal. And combat is soooo slow. And there isn't really a tactic. Just whoever gets the KD bug first. And not to mention... Jedi fights and regular duels are BORING, SLOW, AND POINTLESS.
Also, not to mention, Grinding skills pre-cu actually payed off. Post CU.. not so much.
Message Edited by Obi-don on 10-23-2005 10:01 PM
MsNiL wrote:That, and Dervish + Saberslash + Heal, which was Jedi combat at the time.
c0kes wrote:
I think she refers to the Dizzy + KD combo. That was pre CU PvP. That or the spam of headshot to kill someones mind.
Post CU you actually have to try to alternate attacks.
whats the difference now? Spam head hit, body hit, powerattack. of course have to throw a bit of armor break and kd everynow and then + heal. Not much of a difference to me, except combat is so slow now its boring.
TrogdorrtheBurninator wrote:
your pre cu makes me laugh msnil.... u say kd dizzy ftw? what about KD food? or fight me pre cu... m swords/ m fencer/ m brawler. dabble tkm.....
A) u'd die faster than a bug in a zapper
B) have no chance in hell to kd or dizzy me.
C) cry about the game and cause the CU
You have no clue what you talk about. You make up a very hollow assumption and then spin further on it. I was as extreme in dissecting the system back then as I am now. When I was still MBH/MPistoleer I defeated fully buffed / armored brawlers while I was unbuffed and armorless. I only used food.
I really did not need more since I was exceptionally good at kiting, and I just needed some food for the SAC.