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No xp loss from a BH would just lead to people farming thier own jedi for credits, sad but true.

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abbink wrote:

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MickGrey wrote:

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abbink wrote:

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MickGrey wrote:
The concept of "opting out" of forced-PvP and becoming a PvE-only Jedi would pretty much cause the BH community and most pre-CU Jedi to ejaculate with rage.

Some in the Jedi community might support this idea (although I personally don't), but I don't think it'll gain enough support to be implemented.

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i dont see how this would effect the bh community in the slightest. Bounty hunters would still be able to hunt all jedi, they just wouldnt be able to cause xp loss for those that opted for pve xp loss. Though i would say i dont think this option is a good idea. The best option would be to just change the current system to make all jedi loose xp from pve deaths and just tweek the terminals so that it is impossible to credit farm between a friendly jedi and bounty hunter. If the sole purpose that bounty hunters hunt jedi is to cause xp lose then for sure something needs to change because that is really bordering on unacceptable griefing.

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You're correct that whether or not a Jedi loses experience doesn't affect the BH who hunts him. I agree with you on that 100%.

That being said, there are some who take perverse delight causing XP loss. There are others who feel that it is their "duty" to "control the Jedi population" by causing XP loss.

This is why I said the BH community would probably not support this idea. I could be wrong.

What would be more interesting to consider, though, is whether or not Blixtev would support this idea. (I don't know either way.... I'm just asking the question).

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One thing to consider, and no flame intended, xp loss does nothing to control the jedi population. The toons that are affected by xp loss are already jedi. It may delay some from achieving full temp status quicker but it doesnt contol the population. If the role of a bounty hunter was to help control jedi population then they should be able to hunt anyone that is doing the fs grind.

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You are correct.

When they say "population control", they really mean "make them want to surrender their Jedi skills, stop playing their Jedi toon, or cancel their account".

A few might disagree with the above statement and instead say "control via deterrence" (e.g. if the Jedi life is really hard, then few players would choose it).

I've heard both of the above from time to time on these forums, so I'm not making this stuff up.

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livfast wrote:

No xp loss from a BH would just lead to people farming thier own jedi for credits, sad but true.

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Since they took the names off the terms this won't be as easy, but it'll still be something to consider for sure.

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livfast wrote:

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TheCapn2000 wrote:

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DustusNavar wrote:

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livfast wrote:

No xp loss from a BH would just lead to people farming thier own jedi for credits, sad but true.

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Since they took the names off the terms this won't be as easy, but it'll still be something to consider for sure.

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I would agree...with the names no longer listed it would be difficult to farm your own jedi....

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Would be simple, park the jedi next to the term, take a mission, visit the informant that is like 150m awayand attack. If it doesn't let you, grab another. In the current system, you don't have to use a droid to kill your mark.

Message Edited by livfast on 10-27-2005 12:19 PM

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depending upon the amount of jedi on your server though that could take alot of time and effort to do...

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DustusNavar wrote:

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livfast wrote:

No xp loss from a BH would just lead to people farming thier own jedi for credits, sad but true.

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Since they took the names off the terms this won't be as easy, but it'll still be something to consider for sure.

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True, enough. A grinding Jedi would certainly be concerned about being engaged by a BH while in the middle of a mob. The BH just helps the mob kill the Jedi, doesn't perform the DB, Mob triple incaps orDBs,PvE XP loss occurs....BH has the mission still, rinse and repeat.

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WatchoutfortheFambaa wrote:

True, enough. A grinding Jedi would certainly be concerned about being engaged by a BH while in the middle of a mob. The BH just helps the mob kill the Jedi, doesn't perform the DB, Mob triple incaps orDBs,PvE XP loss occurs....BH has the mission still, rinse and repeat.

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There's nothing to stop that from happening in today's system (except for the pve exp loss part, which could be remedied by defining exactly when exp loss occurs, i.e. on cloning). The BH, in that case, is doing nothing but griefing the player jedi and should be reported for such.

Message Edited by DustusNavar on 10-27-2005 01:48 PM

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livfast wrote:

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TheCapn2000 wrote:

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DustusNavar wrote:

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livfast wrote:

No xp loss from a BH would just lead to people farming thier own jedi for credits, sad but true.

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Since they took the names off the terms this won't be as easy, but it'll still be something to consider for sure.

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I would agree...with the names no longer listed it would be difficult to farm your own jedi....

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Would be simple, park the jedi next to the term, take a mission, visit the informant that is like 150m awayand attack. If it doesn't let you, grab another. In the current system, you don't have to use a droid to kill your mark.

Message Edited by livfast on 10-27-2005 12:19 PM

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Nothing stops them from doing that now. Once your template is set, there's no solid reason NOT to farm your Jedi for all you can get.

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DustusNavar wrote:

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livfast wrote:

No xp loss from a BH would just lead to people farming thier own jedi for credits, sad but true.

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Since they took the names off the terms this won't be as easy, but it'll still be something to consider for sure.

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I would agree...with the names no longer listed it would be difficult to farm your own jedi....

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livfast wrote:

No xp loss from a BH would just lead to people farming thier own jedi for credits, sad but true.

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Then they would have to implement a time limit on how often a jedi could be hunted "killed then 3 days till you could be hunted again", but you would only get one kill then have to get enough vis to get back on the terms and really anybody could do missions and get the same amount of money with out all the hassle.

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TheCapn2000 wrote:

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DustusNavar wrote:

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livfast wrote:

No xp loss from a BH would just lead to people farming thier own jedi for credits, sad but true.

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Since they took the names off the terms this won't be as easy, but it'll still be something to consider for sure.

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I would agree...with the names no longer listed it would be difficult to farm your own jedi....

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Would be simple, park the jedi next to the term, take a mission, visit the informant that is like 150m awayand attack. If it doesn't let you, grab another. In the current system, you don't have to use a droid to kill your mark.

Message Edited by livfast on 10-27-2005 12:19 PM

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livfast wrote:

No xp loss from a BH would just lead to people farming thier own jedi for credits, sad but true.

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so you cut jedi payout to the same as a reg mark. 30k. add something like if a jedi dies, he can't be on the terms for 2 hours or something. not enough to farm, and the ppl who want to pvp still can and get paid.

xp loss needs to go, as does forced pvp. an opt-in sytem like the gcw is the only realistic solution (because it's easy and the existing code can be reused)

Message Edited by GlargTheKelfn on 10-27-2005 02:22 PM

I wish SOE would give us choices like this. They have this habit of not wanting to make things fun. They need to look at games like GuildWars (who sold 1 million copies like the first month or two, as opposed to SWG taking over 2 years to reach that mark), where the developers actually do things just for the sole purpose of making the game fun. Grinding isn't fun, loot camping isn't fun, forced pvp isn't fun, and losing anything you've worked hard to achieve, be exp. or decayed clothes/armor, isn't fun.