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Thread: HYBRID NERF: what, when and why?

KRAKEN666
Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:59 am
#14

actually for you guys that say keep off the boards by not grinding npc's you are flat wrong. other things happen in the game that vis you. one of the biggest is that random npc spawns pop up in the middle of taking out a nest. this happend to me several times. you also get the shuttle drops of imperials all the time now. you can just grind animals and still get vised. for you to blatently say, stay off the terminals and you wont get hunted, is just a fantasy statement. in this game expect to get screwed by random programming.
gladiatory2k
Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:17 am
#15

Well, Luke was a pistoleer Jedi and Obi-wan used a carbine on grevious....and it didn't take him 20 shots to do it either!


I do think the hybrid nerf is to get rid of cloaking bounty hunters or Mdefender/mcm/pistoleers from owning pvp.





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DigitalSpider
Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:21 am
#16



KRAKEN666 wrote:
actually for you guys that say keep off the boards by not grinding npc's you are flat wrong. other things happen in the game that vis you. one of the biggest is that random npc spawns pop up in the middle of taking out a nest. this happend to me several times. you also get the shuttle drops of imperials all the time now. you can just grind animals and still get vised. for you to blatently say, stay off the terminals and you wont get hunted, is just a fantasy statement. in this game expect to get screwed by random programming.





I did my grind in 2 months on Dantooine and NEVER had a BH come for me. Even with ppl exiting the group in the middle of a lair right next to me, NPCS popping up and ppl following the group around.

So you can grind without getting on the terms. You just have to be aware of your surroundings (which you should be anyways). If you get visit by Mister /Miss BH during your grind it is entirely your own fault. You either were not paying attention,
or didn't care. if Random NPCs pop up on you in the middle of a lair there are things that you can do to lessen the impact of them being there. Like get away equip norm weapon and kill them then go back to grinding.
Goochman
Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:25 am
#17

Ah, but didn't Obi-Wan end up having to use a blaster to take out Grievous? Seems a little hybridish to me. About the same as having to whip out an Adv. Laser Rifle to finish the job.
DigitalSpider
Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:35 am
#18

U can use a Blaster too. You just can't use any force powers will it is equiped
Cuit
Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:45 am
#19






Goochman wrote:

Ah, but didn't Obi-Wan end up having to use a blaster to take out Grievous? Seems a little hybridish to me. About the same as having to whip out an Adv. Laser Rifle to finish the job.




I think there might be a big difference between using a blaster and being a pistoleer or any other elite profession. Personally I think all jedi are hybrids . . . they just have specific profession that they draw from. Rather than medic . . . you have healer. Rather than TK . . . you have defender, ect. ect.

by the way . . . i find it funny that the spell checks picks up jedi as a misspelling



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abbink
Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:54 am
#20



KRAKEN666 wrote:
actually for you guys that say keep off the boards by not grinding npc's you are flat wrong. other things happen in the game that vis you. one of the biggest is that random npc spawns pop up in the middle of taking out a nest. this happend to me several times. you also get the shuttle drops of imperials all the time now. you can just grind animals and still get vised. for you to blatently say, stay off the terminals and you wont get hunted, is just a fantasy statement. in this game expect to get screwed by random programming.





oh and what about the players who use cloack to come up on a group of jedi hunting just to give them vis or those players that are not in your group that fly around your lair for 10 minutes to give all the jedi vis intentionally. Yeah you can hurry and unequip your ls and robe and just stand there till they leave or move on yourself only to see them following you. Some players think its great to ruin and waste other peoples game time. What should be done about that?






Too often players and the devs have a mindset that professions should be balanced with 1 on 1 pvp in mind. This mindset is ruining the game. The benchmark for balance should be determined by the role a profession plays in a group setting. As long as the current mindset continues we will never see uniqueness among the professions, nor will we ever see individuality within a given profession. We will never see the SWG universe expanded as the focus will only ever be balance pass after balance pass after balance pass.


Message Edited by abbink on 07-26-200609:32 AM


DigitalSpider
Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:56 am
#21

/report for harassment
SakeO
Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:27 pm
#22

Are BH/defenders that much better than other templates including full template jedi. If they are truly the problem wouldn't it be simpler to just require MBHs to drop the master box in order to learn jedi skills? It would leave all the other completely viable and interesting templates available and stop the problem of too powerful BHs, if that is the case.


Jedi using normal weapons does not seem to go against canon. The only reason left i could see is that you save your self a bunch of Jedi skill grinding that some may think unfair for such solid templates and SOE's assumed want to make us grind junkies.


I am doing carbineer/jedifor4 reasons:


I prefer guns


My character has been a carbineer since septempber 2003


I want to be unique


I would like to grind less


For this I will have a less powerful Jedi over all and be left out of future FRS systems to come. it just seems like they are punishing people for their own shortcomings if they nerf hybrid templates. They took FRS offline, made jedi grinding tedious, made too few good jedi combos for the numbers of us they have allowedand made sabers suck. With the possible exception of the BH/jedi, they are taking away a good response to these problems that actually are balanced against other full jedi templates.



noothername
Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:08 am
#23

i love tkm and ill be a jedi soon, as for the hybrid i think it should stay and one thing they cant nerf, or i hope they never will be tkm with fs skills and some jedi skills for roleplayingand content ability. tkm with lightning, cloak, super speed,cheaper sp healing!


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Naeho
Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:24 am
#24

TKM on its own doesnt have the dmg to compete with a BH, i've learned that many a time.
Even with some jedi skills it's still hard to do the dmg. Saying that a N-K Nightblade might help

But i still love TKM, pre and post CU

Your all jumping the gun before its fired, we dont know whats gonna happen yet so chill.

It proabbly will be that you wont be able to use jedi skills while wielding rifle/carb/etc

and Obi-wan didnt use any force abilities when killing Grevvy with the carbine, and it was probably
just based on his combat lvl not his skills such as an Elite Carbine.

Luke was just a noob paddy, so he still had his pre-jedi skills left but he never used his force abilities
while wielding a blaster.





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Iamai
Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:04 am
#25

you all forget 1 thing.



THEY GIVE YOU ANOTHER CHARACTER.





Trying it out again.............still feel the shaft tho not even a knight anymore



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El_Oso_pardo
Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:22 am
#26






KRAKEN666 wrote:
actually for you guys that say keep off the boards by not grinding npc's you are flat wrong. other things happen in the game that vis you. one of the biggest is that random npc spawns pop up in the middle of taking out a nest. this happend to me several times. you also get the shuttle drops of imperials all the time now. you can just grind animals and still get vised. for you to blatently say, stay off the terminals and you wont get hunted, is just a fantasy statement. in this game expect to get screwed by random programming.





shove what you said back up yourself, been a jedi since way before patch 9, and i never got visability then even with random mobs of NPCs popping up and the such, oh and i had no other skills, just plain jedi too, so i couldn't switch to a non jedi weapon and be cool. you new jedi are whiners like no other



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