Jedi Archive
Thread: So whats the jedi's problem
Laney_1uk
Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:17 am
#14
Ryle you know me from flurry, we have never been enemies. But the stats speak for themselfs. 445/1 on one instance and an average of 50/1 i would estimate on this thread now.
Plus once prem and flawless pearls drop kiss the poor bh profession good bye withing padding dropping a hell of a lot more than it is now. Even with that 800 dps sabers hit for 900 a pop with ab slices. So imo now you are about 30% strongs (full template post cu) and 50-70% stronger pre CU jedi with prem pearls. Try hitting a defender for 300-400 a time while he hits you for 900 with ab slices. Without he can top 1500 damage!!!!!
Message Edited by Laney_1uk on 09-21-2005 02:20 AM
Drodig
Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:21 am
#15
Laney_1uk wrote:
Our profession is too diverse.
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Well I can say you guys as 100% of the jedi here (of which i assume are all DIVERSE RANGE OF TEMPLATES lmao) have all 15/1 up to 445/1 win rates. IF the jedi are as diverse as you say then what ever the template according to this thread you are 1.5 times and more stronger.
I agree at some stages and pearls are an issue. BUt you cannot tell me all of those posting on this thread are pre cu jedi or have weak templates. Seems to be they are all pretty much strong to me
You're leaving out the most important factor in my statement... PvP skill. Either way, we aren't all uber powerfull. Some are, some aren't. Some win a lot, some lose a lot. Just how it is. Im not sure what the laughing is about the templates being diverse. Just because a lot of people who actually post here have similar templates it doesn't account for those of us that don't come on here to post. Of all the jedi I know, only 2 have the exact same template. It just makes more sense when we are doing things as a group to have different skills. I'm sure I've lost what you were even getting at with this post by now anyway though.
Laney_1uk
Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:27 am
#16
So bounty hunters rarely win?
You're leaving out the most important factor in my statement... PvP skill. Either way, we aren't all uber powerfull. Some are, some aren't. Some win a lot, some lose a lot. Just how it is. Im not sure what the laughing is about the templates being diverse. Just because a lot of people who actually post here have similar templates it doesn't account for those of us that don't come on here to post. Of all the jedi I know, only 2 have the exact same template. It just makes more sense when we are doing things as a group to have different skills. I'm sure I've lost what you were even getting at with this post by now anyway though.
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Two points - Poster of original threads assessment and his quote says it all.
Lastly no I have factored in skill. If these starts are to be true and we assume that good BH's are on a 10-1 basis a jedi should lose or run or get forced to have a good fight 10% of the time through averages. A jedi that fights 445 fights must in theory come against a strong BH. BUt he didn't lose once. Others have had 15-40 fights without loss!!!!!!!!!
Facter in skill i can't as i cannot see the bh in question but from experience i'm a good bh. I have top equipment now and i do not win 100% of my fights..... nowhere near. So if we assume there is some skill in the BH profession we should at least win ONE BATTLE BUT IT WOULD SEEM WE DON'T.
FActer in skill i can't but the stats again speak for themselves
Message Edited by Laney_1uk on 09-21-2005 02:28 AM
Laney_1uk
Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:29 am
#18
Even so averages of 30 fights for no loss is 100% win rate ryle
Redeemer99
Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:36 am
#19
In the right hands a Jedi with MLs/Mehancer/4040 healer can easily kill a MBH/CM/DOC, but ofcourse 99% of the people with jedi now have no idea how too actually use one and don't have any real experience in PvP from pre CU so have no idea how too react in the situation at hand. Stop sucking at Jedi , CM/doc BHers are easy too kill, you just have too know what you're doing, reading the forums wont help, try getting some experience and stop running and hiding in cantinas and u might learn something. Funny how i can't beat anyone in my guild (all pre cu council members) in duels, yet i can beat just about every single other jedi....the post cu are even better too hunt lol, they have no idea what the hell they're doign on a jedi
Ryle80
Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:39 am
#20
Laney_1uk wrote:Even so averages of 30 fights for no loss is 100% win rate ryle
Look at bh on our server that do well, some with 50+ kills post-cu. 10 of my kills have been full templates and 4 of those pre-cu jedi, yes im pretty cheap with my kills but thats how my template is set out. I will admit there are jedi out there that have not been beaten post-cu but i know of jedi with 700+ damage sabers that have been killed more than once. As i said, jedi that lose a lot to bh are not going to further add to their loss by embarrasing themselves on the forums imho. Also in regards to the original topic, please point me to a thread where i say bh are overpowered
, its mainly the post-cu's who are complaining.
Venya
Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:46 am
#21
More the person behind the toon than anything else in my opinion. Skill counts for a lot.
Yah somebody like me. lol
Ryle80 wrote:
I will admit there are jedi out there that have not been beaten post-cu but i know of jedi with 700+ damage sabers that have been killed more than once.
But I had a valid excuse, had just been rezzed(was exiting DWB crafting room)literally seconds before the attack and had no mind. Could have cloaked, but that'd be wimping out.
Laney_1uk
Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:43 am
#22
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1217782
Yet more complaints that jedi are under powered. Guess he didn't read the thread in m original message lmao.
Argonithe
Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:57 am
#23
My stats are 17-2-7 against BH since i was on term for the first time 72k. Last time i was killed was when i LD entering my house. Im not full template yet and i dont have a pre -CU saber. Biggest problem for most Jedi is not crappy saber or not full temp its because the meet a good BH or they suck at PvP or to use there skills. And the second thing why Jedi loose against BH is they try to run away. Dont run ! Stay and fight learn from your deaths and ENJOY the game tbh....
Ryle80
Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:57 am
#24
Laney_1uk wrote:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1217782
Yet more complaints that jedi are under powered. Guess he didn't read the thread in m original message lmao.
My biggest worry is against the sword/doc fotm. If you fight one that knows what he/she is doing i dont think you can win unless you get lucky. I dueled a pre-cu jedi on my Pikeman/mdoc and managed to win, yet it was my first fight ever on that toon since i finished his template. Melee/docs are a far bigger worry to me than bh/mcm.
Cartouche
Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:29 am
#25
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=1214189
Just readthis thread basicallly saying i'm a full template whats your win rate against bh's. Most jedi there are like an average of 15/1 in favour of wins. Some boasting 445 -1 and stuff. My question is this what the heck is you guys problem as its painfully obvious that little or no BH's can touch you. HArdly anyone has lost or had to run.
Not a flame, but have you considered thata thread that gives people an opportunity to bragmight be a bitbiased? People with good records are more likely to post in that threadthan people with poor records.
Assume that you're full template. Another full template guy posts that his record is 445-1. Will you post after that guy If you have a poor record? Do you want to take the risk of people telling you that PvP is about skill, and that you just suck at it?If you have a poor record because you have a low damage saber, do you want to let everyone know that you have auseless saber?If you do that, you know that someone will reply"Mine is 720 dmg, 9 fc. Pre-CU FTW!!!!". Or do you believe that our forum is all about helping and comforting each other?
Lookat thethreads about saber stats. Domanypeople withlow damage sabers post in these threads? I can assure you that there are more people out there with low damage sabers than with 700+ damage sabers. The people with low damage sabers just don't feel the need to brag about it. If a guy has just posted that all his pearls are 120/-9, do you feel the need to tell everyone that your best pearl is 60/-4?
If you want to find the people with low-damage sabers or a bad records against bh's,look for threads asking for a CM nerf or for premiums to be put back in the game. As you noticed, there are quite a few of those.
Message Edited by Cartouche on 09-21-2005 04:39 AM
KRAKEN666
Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:40 am
#26
all bh's have learned one simple rule...out last jedi force by out healing them. until soe does something about combat medics abilities being abused by other proffesions post cu jedi with such weak sabers are screwed. If you look at the timeline for all the bh killed by jedi, it is slowly turning around because right after the cu most bh were completly ranged in nature. Now the fotm bh has had time to grind out the mcm part of their templates. You will see more and more bh/cm's in the game now, and winning because of the outragous healing abilities. Not only have the bh learned this trick, but so have fencers and tkm's. The abuse will grow and soe will do nothing about it because that means another drasitic change will merit a respec which opens up another can of worms.
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