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Thread: How bout jedi cannot be armor break at all...
If it's the first, It doesn't matter too much, as most BHs have Armor Break defense
If it's the second, Get the hell out.
An interesting point. Why? Well, if you read the discription of Armor Break, it says it allows your weapon to expose a flaw in your opponents armor, temporarily causing them to take more damage. Now, the problem? Jedi do not WEAR armor, so there is no flaw to be exposed. That is the argument for why it shouldnt work on jedi.
However, for some reason I always analyze any argument I make from the other side, and already have a counterargument: Jedi innate armor is really a Jedi using the force to protect themselves from attacks the way armor would protect a non force user. It could be reasoned that, though there is no "flaw" in the force, the armor break attack could, when used on Jedi, distract them temporarily so that they cannot use the force to protect themselves as well as normaly.
KureJiBaka wrote:
Do you mean "Cannot use Armor Break" or "Cannot be affected by Armor Break"?
If it's the first, It doesn't matter too much, as most BHs have Armor Break defense
If it's the second, Get the hell out.
Cannot be affected by armor break,we not wearing armor at all andbeing hit for 900+pts by a hammer man its kinda ridiculus.
Oh wait normies have ab slice, outheal a jedi, out damage a jedi, states recovery, basicly same attack ( armor break, power attack) all this without a force bar .....
I told you..
GET THE HELL OUT !
Message Edited by tregetwa on 09-26-2005 10:44 PM
Everitt_Cage wrote:
An interesting point. Why? Well, if you read the discription of Armor Break, it says it allows your weapon to expose a flaw in your opponents armor, temporarily causing them to take more damage. Now, the problem? Jedi do not WEAR armor, so there is no flaw to be exposed. That is the argument for why it shouldnt work on jedi.
However, for some reason I always analyze any argument I make from the other side, and already have a counterargument: Jedi innate armor is really a Jedi using the force to protect themselves from attacks the way armor would protect a non force user. It could be reasoned that, though there is no "flaw" in the force, the armor break attack could, when used on Jedi, distract them temporarily so that they cannot use the force to protect themselves as well as normaly.
To add to your own counterargument, based on your first point then arguably TKM's shouldn't be affected by armor break either. From a balance standpoint, Jedi (and TKM as well) have enough defenses as it is. It's a bonus (and an advantage over jedi and TKM) for armor wearersthat they can get armor break slices. You can't take that away.
or at least give us a AB REDUCTION box in defender Tree !
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Message Edited by tregetwa on 09-26-2005 10:42 PM
SilentSoul201 wrote:
Everitt_Cage wrote:
An interesting point. Why? Well, if you read the discription of Armor Break, it says it allows your weapon to expose a flaw in your opponents armor, temporarily causing them to take more damage. Now, the problem? Jedi do not WEAR armor, so there is no flaw to be exposed. That is the argument for why it shouldnt work on jedi.
However, for some reason I always analyze any argument I make from the other side, and already have a counterargument: Jedi innate armor is really a Jedi using the force to protect themselves from attacks the way armor would protect a non force user. It could be reasoned that, though there is no "flaw" in the force, the armor break attack could, when used on Jedi, distract them temporarily so that they cannot use the force to protect themselves as well as normaly.
To add to your own counterargument, based on your first point then arguably TKM's shouldn't be affected by armor break either. From a balance standpoint, Jedi (and TKM as well) have enough defenses as it is. It's a bonus (and an advantage over jedi and TKM) for armor wearers that they can get armor break slices. You can't take that away.
You beat me to it.
tregetwa wrote:
KureJiBaka wrote:
Do you mean "Cannot use Armor Break" or "Cannot be affected by Armor Break"?
If it's the first, It doesn't matter too much, as most BHs have Armor Break defense
If it's the second, Get the hell out.
Cannot be affected by armor break, we not wearing armor at all and being hit for 900+pts by a hammer man its kinda ridiculus.
Oh wait normies have ab slice, outheal a jedi, out damage a jedi, states recovery, all this without a force bar .....
I told you..
GET THE HELL OUT !
OH WOE IS YOU!
That sounds reasonable, but i still don't think it's necessary... i mean, Jedi defenses are pretty strong already. I agree if Armor Break were really wrecking every Jedi then putting something in a defender tree would be the smartest way to balance it but... AB really isn't having that drastic an effect right now.
tregetwa wrote:
or at least give us a AB REDUCTION box in defender Tree !
Yes i know i have all the good ideas.
p897t98 wrote:
My suggestion is AB protection in the form of a new BE mod for tailors....
Yes i know i have all the good ideas.
Only problem with that idea is that they don't make Bio Engineers anymore
SilentSoul201 wrote:
That sounds reasonable, but i still don't think it's necessary... i mean, Jedi defenses are pretty strong already. I agree if Armor Break were really wrecking every Jedi then putting something in a defender tree would be the smartest way to balance it but... AB really isn't having that drastic an effect right now.
tregetwa wrote:
or at least give us a AB REDUCTION box in defender Tree !
im MLS 4040D 3402E 4000H
under armor break (armor block 186 pts of damage over 1265) = 1079 pts per hit,imagine that !
well im off to bed guys anyway its too late to do anything, this game is already screwd since CU !
G'nite !