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Thread: If saber must be equipped to use the Force, it's another illogical nerf to the Jedi profession
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Drazharr
Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:13 am
#1
This would truly be an unfortunate change and yet another divergence among countless others from the movies and logical gameplay.
Obi-Wan used a pistol to kill Grevious in EP3. Palpatine didn't use a saber after EP3.
Now we all in SWG will be forced to. It isn't right. It's another nerf. It's illogical.
You could still use a gun, of course, but you'd have to take the time to equip it and unequip it - that extra time will kill you. That makes it impractical and that hurts Powers users a bunch. Powers will have to be really beefed up to compensate - but they won't do that.
If they truly make it so that you can't use Force Lightning or other force powers and enhancements without a saber equipped, that's really nuts and not true to the movies or common sense. Just imagine being cloaked under this new system - you'd have to de-cloak, equip your saber and then strike, losing the element of surprise and precious seconds of attacking.
It just doesn't make sense to do this, but that has never stopped the devs before and it won't stop them now.
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-13-2005 11:14 AM
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-13-2005 11:16 AM
Haerb
Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:16 am
#2
I bet they'd allow the powers to go off when unarmed... as for the pistol (it was a carbine, btw), Obi-Wan wasn't exactly using much Force when he blasted it, eh? 
No contradictions so far.
No contradictions so far.
iskareot
Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:16 am
#3
thank your fellow hybrids I guess.
We had this one before actully (kinda) it was not so bad once you got used to it.
This just stops the force run2 rifleman , its gotton bad on some servers and this is the fix...
antares_Kauri
Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:17 am
#4
I don't think it includes force powers, it's referring to using non-Jedi weapons and attacks like a rifle while using other Jedi powers.
antares
antares
Akira96
Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:20 am
#5
Well for powers users, they can just grabcrappy grinding resources and make a training saber and have it equipped, no need to use it. Then again if you are unarmed, you're not equipped with a weapon so it probably won't effect it.
Message Edited by Akira96 on 09-13-2005 11:21 AM
Naeho
Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:20 am
#6
Obi-wan didnt use the force WHILE killing grevy with the Carbine.
Maybe Palpatine lost his saber or the injuries he sustained were too large to allow him to wield one.
They may allow the force to be used with no weapons equipped at all.
But i get what your saying, u shouldnt have to be wielding a LS to use force choke.
But i think its basically an attempt to stop Hybrid temps, such as Mpistols/Mdef/Healer4xxx.
So someone cant use Avoid incap while wielding a T21.
But i reckon we should wait and see, maybe unarmed will allow the use of force abilities, Might give
TKM's an extra edge too but they should find away around that.
Maybe Palpatine lost his saber or the injuries he sustained were too large to allow him to wield one.
They may allow the force to be used with no weapons equipped at all.
But i get what your saying, u shouldnt have to be wielding a LS to use force choke.
But i think its basically an attempt to stop Hybrid temps, such as Mpistols/Mdef/Healer4xxx.
So someone cant use Avoid incap while wielding a T21.
But i reckon we should wait and see, maybe unarmed will allow the use of force abilities, Might give
TKM's an extra edge too but they should find away around that.
Message Edited by Naeho on 09-13-2005 04:22 PM
Jhahadir
Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:52 am
#8
iskareot wrote:
thank your fellow hybrids I guess.
We had this one before actully (kinda) it was not so bad once you got used to it.
This just stops the force run2 rifleman , its gotton bad on some servers and this is the fix...
Eh? In Force Run 2+ you have the damage reduction modifiers applied to your weapons. Personally I have used FR3 and an ALR and I was doing 10 damage with a normal attack. Is there something that I'm missing or does FR2 allow you to do full damage with a regular weapon?
Wolf24601
Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:53 am
#9
Obi Wan deathblowed the general with the pistol when he was at 0 health. It was the lag that made him look like he was still attacking Ben. You can do that in this game, too...
Wolf
Akira96
Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:55 am
#10
Wolf24601 wrote:
Obi Wan deathblowed the general with the pistol when he was at 0 health. It was the lag that made him look like he was still attacking Ben. You can do that in this game, too...
Wolf
Naeho
Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:56 am
#11
Jhahadir wrote:
iskareot wrote:
thank your fellow hybrids I guess.We had this one before actully (kinda) it was not so bad once you got used to it.This just stops the force run 2 rifleman , its gotton bad on some servers and this is the fix...
Eh? In Force Run 2+ you have the damage reduction modifiers applied to your weapons. Personally I have used FR3 and an ALR and I was doing 10 damage with a normal attack. Is there something that I'm missing or does FR2 allow you to do full damage with a regular weapon?
Think he means force speed. But even still thats the same as the doc speed buff
Don_T_Shoot
Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:24 am
#12
Bzzt nope. Try again people, and please try to understand the rumors before spewing more falsehoods around this already lie filled hole of the jedi forum.
The rumor, based on some junk found in the .tre files, is NOT that you must equip a saber, it is that you can't perform force powers with a NON-SABER equipped.
There is a difference.
This may happen, but it is not guaranteed, as there are many many things sitting in the .tre files for a year that have never happened. It's not in a patch notes, so this rumor doesn't mean squat.
The rumor, based on some junk found in the .tre files, is NOT that you must equip a saber, it is that you can't perform force powers with a NON-SABER equipped.
There is a difference.
This may happen, but it is not guaranteed, as there are many many things sitting in the .tre files for a year that have never happened. It's not in a patch notes, so this rumor doesn't mean squat.
Message Edited by Don_T_Shoot on 09-13-2005 12:24 PM
Jacella
Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:33 am
#13
Drazharr wrote:
This would truly be an unfortunate change and yet another divergence among countless others from the movies and logical gameplay.
Obi-Wan used a pistol to kill Grevious in EP3. Palpatine didn't use a saber after EP3.
They didn't say you couldn't use it, but he didn't use FS or any jedi powers to squeeze the trigger. How is this a nerf?
Now we all in SWG will be forced to. It isn't right. It's another nerf. It's illogical.
You could still use a gun, of course, but you'd have to take the time to equip it and unequip it - that extra time will kill you. That makes it impractical and that hurts Powers users a bunch. Powers will have to be really beefed up to compensate - but they won't do that.
Why? Why do you need a gun anyways?
If they truly make it so that you can't use Force Lightning or other force powers and enhancements without a saber equipped, that's really nuts and not true to the movies or common sense. Just imagine being cloaked under this new system - you'd have to de-cloak, equip your saber and then strike, losing the element of surprise and precious seconds of attacking.
Why do you need to unequip a ls when you cloak? Can't you use powers with a LS equiped? I am not understanding the problem.
It just doesn't make sense to do this, but that has never stopped the devs before and it won't stop them now.
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-13-2005 11:14 AM
Message Edited by Drazharr on 09-13-2005 11:16 AM
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