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Thread: Devs on MMO problems

Aikes
Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:23 am
#1

I thought you guys would enjoy this since you liked Smedley's statement so well.



Devs Rant
wildcat84
Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:27 am
#2

The mods have torched links to that article every time it's been posted. Jeff Hickman and Gordon Walton (who used to work for this game)'s thoughts are classic.

And apply DIRECTLY to the SWG situation.



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benvoit
Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:29 am
#3

yup, it really does apply to soe's FU2



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SlaserX
Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:29 am
#4

I think it's hysterical, because not just one rant touches on SWG, two of them do. They've changed everything to be a clone of everything else.



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jcarlson34
Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:30 am
#5


Thanks for that bro...


Now that brings up the question.. why do theymake major game changesif they know it will be bad?






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wildcat84
Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:34 am
#6



jcarlson34 wrote:

Thanks for that bro...

Now that brings up the question.. why do they make major game changes if they know it will be bad?






They don't know. This game has been in the hands of horrible management since day 1. Anyone who has ever had to work for idiot managers knows that those types think of themselves as infallable geniuses, who's excrement doesn't stink.

If this fails (and it will), the only people on Earth that will be surprised are the managers in charge of this game, namely Julio Torres, John Smedley, Dallas Dickinson, and Grant McDaniel. My guess is everyone under them knows. Remember, the Devs only do what those I named TELL them to do, they have no choice.

Add to this firing Tiggs, the ONLY one of the sorry lot even trying to hold this community together, and my guess is you'd need the Hubble Telescope to spot the morale in the place.



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wildcat84
Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:43 am
#7

"We go out and say, ‘'you know what, we want more of those players, we want that 3.5 million from that game over there.' So instead of sticking to the thing that our players really love, we start changing it. And now we’re alienating the players playing our game, losing our subscribers. The 3.5 million who are over there playing that game, they’re happy. They’re playing that game already. We’re not attracting them – or, it’s very difficult to attract them. So the chance that you’re taking as a developer making those changes is so huge. And you see it happen all the time. If you look at the games out there, there’s not many big games – or small games that have not made that error. So, that’s my rant." - Jeff Hickman


That right there sums up the problem with SWG, and the disease the management has.



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BodenVolrath
Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:50 am
#8

Well actually reading the 4 pages, we don't know if it is the case with the NGE.


For CU, yes, definitly.


But NGE is a new game. It takes balls to throw that up. They are ready for sacrifice.


Management says it is the game as it should have been in the first place. Yes it is, in a marketing point of view.


The Audience will be larger. Some of you might be leaving because you don't like what is coming and it is understandable. It is a new game coming.


EcadMistflier
Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:57 am
#9






BodenVolrath wrote:

Well actually reading the 4 pages, we don't know if it is the case with the NGE.


For CU, yes, definitly.


But NGE is a new game. It takes balls to throw that up. They are ready for sacrifice.


Management says it is the game as it should have been in the first place. Yes it is, in a marketing point of view.


The Audience will be larger. Some of you might be leaving because you don't like what is coming and it is understandable. It is a new game coming.







If you believe that this will attract a larger, more devoted audience I would beg to differ. Common sense would indicate that this is the last gasp of a dying game. Word of mouth travels fast and most of it is bad. People that I know haven't played the game have commented in the middle of a conversation that they heard this game is toast.. There will be dabblers who who will, with their culturally truncated attention spans, explore this game for a bit but will move on to the next game with bright shiney lights and effects that go boom post haste.



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wildcat84
Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:00 am
#10



EcadMistflier wrote:


BodenVolrath wrote:

Well actually reading the 4 pages, we don't know if it is the case with the NGE.

For CU, yes, definitly.

But NGE is a new game. It takes balls to throw that up. They are ready for sacrifice.

Management says it is the game as it should have been in the first place. Yes it is, in a marketing point of view.

The Audience will be larger. Some of you might be leaving because you don't like what is coming and it is understandable. It is a new game coming.




If you believe that this will attract a larger, more devoted audience I would beg to differ. Common sense would indicate that this is the last gasp of a dying game. Word of mouth travels fast and most of it is bad. People that I know haven't played the game have commented in the middle of a conversation that they heard this game is toast.. There will be dabblers who who will, with their culturally truncated attention spans, explore this game for a bit but will move on to the next game with bright shiney lights and effects that go boom post haste.





Rumor floating around was that we were going to be shut down in January.



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EcadMistflier
Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:09 am
#11






wildcat84 wrote:





EcadMistflier wrote:






BodenVolrath wrote:

Well actually reading the 4 pages, we don't know if it is the case with the NGE.


For CU, yes, definitly.


But NGE is a new game. It takes balls to throw that up. They are ready for sacrifice.


Management says it is the game as it should have been in the first place. Yes it is, in a marketing point of view.


The Audience will be larger. Some of you might be leaving because you don't like what is coming and it is understandable. It is a new game coming.







If you believe that this will attract a larger, more devoted audience I would beg to differ. Common sense would indicate that this is the last gasp of a dying game. Word of mouth travels fast and most of it is bad. People that I know haven't played the game have commented in the middle of a conversation that they heard this game is toast.. There will be dabblers who who will, with their culturally truncated attention spans, explore this game for a bit but will move on to the next game with bright shiney lights and effects that go boom post haste.







Rumor floating around was that we were going to be shut down in January.



I had heard a rumor that the game was going to be shut down as well and that this is a last ditch effort to float the game for a bit longer. Just a rumor but it fits SoE's mode of operation and the historic dictates of human behavior to cover ones ass.




Ecad Mistflier
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snipaho
Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:10 am
#12

"We go out and say, 'you know what, we want more of those players, we want that 3.5 million from that game over there.' So instead of sticking to the thing that our players really love, we start changing it. And now we’re alienating the players playing our game, losing our subscribers."
- Jeff Hickman



Sums up the NGE very well.

Message Edited by snipaho on 11-10-2005 10:18 AM



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Drazharr
Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:11 am
#13

Hickman is right on and if I leave SWG, it'll be for the reasons he stated.



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