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Thread: Crystal/Pearl tuning.... /bugs ???

Gaffacas
Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:13 am
#1



I got some issues with crystal tuning - just wanna hear your oppinion. Im a Jedi Knight and have tuned alot of crystals (including premium) and have had as well bad as good tunes. The premium however mostly gave me good tunes (FC -9).


Now my problem is that all the premium (as well as all other quality) I tune end up crappy. I have tuned 7 premium Crystals the last week - and none of them had force cost 9 !!! (FC -1 -2 -8 -3 -1 -6 -6)


Can this be right? Is there some kind ofbug? I send in a ticket about this and got a reply from 2 diffrent CSR. One saying it was a bug - the other saying it wasn't a bug - and just closed my ticket... a third CSR replied in live chat: all crystals have slight randomness to them, it shouldn't be to big though.

what am I supposed to do now? I got 4 more premium Crystals - but I don't dare to tune them - because I know if this is a bug and all my crystals tune crap - the CSR wont do anything to help me.. (give me new / good tuned crystals)






Message Edited by Gaffacas on 11-03-2004 01:29 PM

Message Edited by Gaffacas on 11-19-2004 10:28 AM



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Gaffacas
Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:49 am
#2


just got a reply from CSR-ShawnM:


CSR-ShawnM: Gaff: development is aware of this issue.


Don't know it this is yet another one of their standard replies to shut me up.. or there actually are bugs conserning Crystal Tuning (as I belive there are).

Anyway if ppl are having the same issues as me - or not - plz reply!


Message Edited by Gaffacas on 10-14-2004 04:23 PM



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Gaffacas
Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:12 am
#3


[PM to CSRDanielD] I have just been talking with CSR-ShawnM about the Crystal Tuning - and a possible bug there - can you comment on this - Are there bugs in the Tuning Process???


[PM from CSRDanielD] Rare, isolated incidents. I haven't heard of it too frequently.


-Guess there are issues with ths tuning...-



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Garisonn
Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:25 am
#4

Thanks for the info on this.. i too noticed that I was having increasingly bad luck tuning all my crystals reglardless of quality.. they have all given me sub-par stats. .. out of 15 tuned.. (mix of fair, good and quality crystals) I hadone -4 FC, and one that was -5 FC.. the rest were either -1 or -2 ... with a majority being ZERO !!!!!! It was either nerfed.. or bugged because its awful now.
NemKhis
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:23 am
#5

Perhaps its random, perhaps a bug...or maybe they got tired of all the jedi getting lvl 4 sabers with a FC close to that of a lvl 1?


I dont know...ive had random luck on tunings all along...ive had poor/fair come out decent (-4/-5fc) and Ive had Quality/Select/Premium come out terrible....think possibly just dumb luck...who knows.



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Gaffacas
Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:25 pm
#6

This is a bug !


I dont belive we are supposed to have this kind ofbad luck! 7 prem in a row all tuned so crappy that I can't use em.....


I got this reply from SonGouki, when I asked why my tuning is so damn crappy:



This is an unfortunate shortcoming of the current tuning system. This was an issue on our old Top 5 list and will remain on the new one.




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Shinjo_Kanzaki
Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:35 pm
#7

well if it is indeed a bug, i wish ididn't tune all mycrystals and pearl.



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Gaffacas
Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:02 am
#8


hehe ya ..


I'm not tuning any crystals before I known a bug won't mess up the tuning..... because we all know the CSR won't help us if a bug makes all our crystals unusable (thanks for the support CSR btw)



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tntsnipe
Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:12 am
#9

I tuned 2 premiums yesterday that made me believe your post. Whatever it is I wish we had more player control over it.




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RabidEwok2
Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:29 am
#10

Under the current system I think it's working as intended. It should be a considerable effort to get the best sabers, especially since we jedi don't have that much else to burn money on.


However after the CB, when elders/krayts are unsoloable, it will be a *lot* worse since peoplemost likely won't be able to solo farm these. Then I hope the tuning algorithms are tightened up a bit.




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Gaffacas
Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:45 am
#11


well so far SonGouki, CSR-ShawnM and CSRDanielD have said there is a bug with the tuning system, in Rare, isolated incidents, and that is is an unfortunate shortcoming of the current tuning system and is on the Top 5 list !


So I guess alot of the Jedi dont experience any problems - I know I didn't until a week ago...

Message Edited by Gaffacas on 10-15-2004 02:47 PM



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WookieOgre
Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:49 am
#12






RabidEwok2 wrote:

Under the current system I think it's working as intended. It should be a considerable effort to get the best sabers, especially since we jedi don't have that much else to burn money on.


However after the CB, when elders/krayts are unsoloable, it will be a *lot* worse since peoplemost likely won't be able to solo farm these. Then I hope the tuning algorithms are tightened up a bit.








Actually it is not working as intended. True, the system is making the effort to get the best sabers very difficult (don't mind that) BUT the point of this new tuning system was to make crystals and pearls go down in price. The plan was to have crystals/pearls with no stats and random tuning so the prices drop from 4-5 million per to a more reasonable amount.


It failed. All you have to do is look at the trade forums and find crystals/pearls go for 4-5 million....only difference now is you don't know what you aregetting but you're still paying outrageous prices for it. I would take the old method over this new tuning crap anyday......at least I know my 4 million would go to a useable crystal and not something that comes out to0 FC (that was a preme by the way)

Message Edited by WookieOgre on 10-15-2004 07:50 AM

RabidEwok2
Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:01 am
#13






WookieOgre wrote:




Actually it is not working as intended. True, the system is making the effort to get the best sabers very difficult (don't mind that) BUT the point of this new tuning system was to make crystals and pearls go down in price. The plan was to have crystals/pearls with no stats and random tuning so the prices drop from 4-5 million per to a more reasonable amount.


It failed. All you have to do is look at the trade forums and find crystals/pearls go for 4-5 million....only difference now is you don't know what you aregetting but you're still paying outrageous prices for it. I would take the old method over this new tuning crap anyday......at least I know my 4 million would go to a useable crystal and not something that comes out to0 FC (that was a preme by the way)


Message Edited by WookieOgre on 10-15-2004 07:50 AM




No. The major problem with the old system was that getting even a bad saber could be difficult. Back then we saw stories about jedi that had to stop levelling because they simply couldn't get crystals/pearls. Now, getting bad crystals is quite easy, and we have the option to use a lower generation lightsaber to reduce force cost.


Getting an uber saber is still quite difficult. If you assume that you need to tune maybe 4 or 5 premiums to get one decent tune (-9 40+ damage) we're talking 16-20 premiums to get a good saber, at a cost of 50-100 mil depending on you server's economy.


That is challenging but not unrealistically difficult. It's harder for non jedi to get legendary weapons with extremely good stats.While it's annoying that jedi can't get premiums on their own while non jedi can, the CB will probably make it impossible for non jedi too, to solo these things. At that point premiums should perhaps tune a little better since supply will be cut down drastically.




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