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Thread: Defense vs Combat Medic
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Leekae
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:20 am
#1
I was just wondering if there was a counter to this tactic:
CM walks up to you, mezz's you, then applies all their stuff like fire, poison, disease, snare, etc...
At this point they start firing on you with an uber rifle=Instant death.
What tactic do you all have to offer for this technique?
I, for one, feel they shouldnt be able to apply anything to you while mezzed. It should break on not only damage, but also any states or offensive moves done by the other player. Thoughts?
warlordofresistance
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:23 am
#2
Best way to accept thisand stop fighting and accept the xp your going to lose.
Then its going to be fast over and you can grind in peace again for a few.
Message Edited by warlordofresistance on 09-06-2005 07:23 AM
Warrior03
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:24 am
#3
As soon as a bh/cm runs up to me and paralyzes I just eat all my PvP food and wait if I never noticed him coming. Not too much ya can do.
gr8whitehope
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:27 am
#4
snare/run, root/run.....
Best tactic.... let the BH run his buffs out and allow you to get a bit further away from him 
Galtarthc
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:31 am
#5
Heh.. the old /prone and /clone stratagy?
Well as an md jedi on one character, and a cm/bh on the other I might be able to give you some ideas.
1) If the bh applies a dot.. you win! The dot will prevent him from applying paralize till the dot is over.
2) If the bh doesn't apply a dot, expect a long hard fight if you are full template since when you get in melee range he will probably apply paralize again and move away.
Your best bet is to snare and root him as soon as paralize breaks, turn on force run and book it towards him. Most jedi don't realize that burstrun is faster than force run 1, so use it when you can.
For the cases where you just can't get into melee range get 2 weapons. An advanced laser rifle with as high a damage you can find and blast away at a bh without recon armor (most cm/bh). An ld-1, or a Fallon Hyper rifle and get it sliced for damage for recon armor wearing bh.
Of course this assumes you don't have cloak.
Now if you are a low lev grinding jedi.. well you are screwed across the board since you won't have enough jedi abilities to defend yourself, and not enough regular skills to compete. Many grinding jedi i know get cloak even though they arn't planning on keeping it in their final template so as to avoid 90% of all bh out there.
Well as an md jedi on one character, and a cm/bh on the other I might be able to give you some ideas.
1) If the bh applies a dot.. you win! The dot will prevent him from applying paralize till the dot is over.
2) If the bh doesn't apply a dot, expect a long hard fight if you are full template since when you get in melee range he will probably apply paralize again and move away.
Your best bet is to snare and root him as soon as paralize breaks, turn on force run and book it towards him. Most jedi don't realize that burstrun is faster than force run 1, so use it when you can.
For the cases where you just can't get into melee range get 2 weapons. An advanced laser rifle with as high a damage you can find and blast away at a bh without recon armor (most cm/bh). An ld-1, or a Fallon Hyper rifle and get it sliced for damage for recon armor wearing bh.
Of course this assumes you don't have cloak.
Now if you are a low lev grinding jedi.. well you are screwed across the board since you won't have enough jedi abilities to defend yourself, and not enough regular skills to compete. Many grinding jedi i know get cloak even though they arn't planning on keeping it in their final template so as to avoid 90% of all bh out there.
DaniB
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:35 am
#6
Leekae wrote:
I was just wondering if there was a counter to this tactic:
CM walks up to you, mezz's you, then applies all their stuff like fire, poison, disease, snare, etc...
At this point they start firing on you with an uber rifle=Instant death.
What tactic do you all have to offer for this technique?
I, for one, feel they shouldnt be able to apply anything to you while mezzed. It should break on not only damage, but also any states or offensive moves done by the other player. Thoughts?
if they use a headshot cooldown bypassmacro, well, you can still report them for exploiting game mechanics... you cant defeat a capable mcm with good equipment, a nice rifle and such a speed macro.
Message Edited by DaniB on 09-06-2005 07:35 AM
ethak1
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:38 am
#7
how would a Mdef Mls heal3xxx en xxx2 fair then with no roots etc?
screwed?
trajen2
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:41 am
#8
when the dots start ticking, root them and run out of range while the dots tick...
And yes, if you have no root, then you're kinda screwed. Mezzes were a stupid implementation and are necessary to have....sadly...
Wolf24601
Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:43 am
#9
I kept being told to watch the mind bars and buff timers on the CM/BH, and I think that is spot-on.
Their mind will eventually decline. You just have to live long enough for that to happen.
The foods and buffs will expire for them...you just might have to wait twenty minutes.
I like to run away, taking out their swoops as they chase me, all the time watching the timer on the buffs.
Once the food starts to run low, I go all out against them. They will still be fine...but now their mind bar will be a major factor as they heal. That mind bar slowly declines then I try to finish them off.
Doesn't always work...but it is something you can try.
Please note that I did not mention the words 'exploit' or call for any nerfs to anyone in this post.
Wolf
Mclearin
Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:41 am
#10
I have heard that running into water cures the dots.
paralyze is supposed to break with damage taken, so applying dots after the payalyze should break it.
I haven't been able to try this yet, but I am thinking that you might beable to break it by damaging your self, i.e. channel. Hit channel once and it damages your ham, but this is all speculation, anyone confirm or disprove this?
Phantom513
Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:14 am
#11
ethak1 wrote:
how would a Mdef Mls heal3xxx en xxx2 fair then with no roots etc?
screwed?
switch to mdef/mls heal 4xxx enh xxx1 u dotn need channel in the middle of a bh fight do ya unless u wanan make it easier for him plus u will have a snare and u get 1.5k heals
Wimpanzee
Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:20 am
#12
i am mbh/mcm
i found, this weekend, only 3 out of 16 jedi could kill me. i took powers jedi, mls/mdef jedi, an entire range of templates.
the ONLY ones who beat me had pre-cu no action sabers w/ some very nice pearls in them.
otherwise, between traumatize, drain and dots...they run out of mind.
not force, mind. and usually in 3-5 minutes.
i found, this weekend, only 3 out of 16 jedi could kill me. i took powers jedi, mls/mdef jedi, an entire range of templates.
the ONLY ones who beat me had pre-cu no action sabers w/ some very nice pearls in them.
otherwise, between traumatize, drain and dots...they run out of mind.
not force, mind. and usually in 3-5 minutes.
Phantom513
Tue Sep 06, 2005 11:29 am
#13
wow thats crazy i have never before run out of mind in the CU while playing my jedi congrats i have no idea how ya did that
Wimpanzee wrote:
i am mbh/mcm
i found, this weekend, only 3 out of 16 jedi could kill me. i took powers jedi, mls/mdef jedi, an entire range of templates.
the ONLY ones who beat me had pre-cu no action sabers w/ some very nice pearls in them.
otherwise, between traumatize, drain and dots...they run out of mind.
not force, mind. and usually in 3-5 minutes.
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