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Thread: Wheres my 'Lightsaber Defense' ?
DaunteDelfuego wrote:
I totally agree...I think both the LS & Powers Trees shouldget baseline defenses to make you viable...defender skills should raise you to "tank" status.
OohBo wrote:
DaunteDelfuego wrote:
I totally agree...I think both the LS & Powers Trees shouldget baseline defenses to make you viable...defender skills should raise you to "tank" status.
I don't necessarily agree with the fact that powers should get defenses because, where are these defenses coming from? Logically, someone with a lightsaber can use his weapon for defense (block, parry, etc) but what is the powers guy using? The powers guyneeds to usehis abilities as a defense: intimidate them, kd them, choke them, then blast them with lighting. He is keeping his foe at bay with his tremendous powers (in theory anyway, I know this is not the case on live). A powers guy should be able to choke (root + dot), kd, and blast away without his foe ever touching him - hisbest defense is his offense.
But i definitely agree that defender skills should be an addition to whatever you have from your main template choices - to make you into a tank - not the only place a Jedi can get defenses.
He is using the force as defense...like when Darth Vader deflected Han Solo's blaster shots in the empire strikes back.
OohBo wrote:
DaunteDelfuego wrote:
I totally agree...I think both the LS & Powers Trees shouldget baseline defenses to make you viable...defender skills should raise you to "tank" status.
I don't necessarily agree with the fact that powers should get defenses because, where are these defenses coming from? Logically, someone with a lightsaber can use his weapon for defense (block, parry, etc) but what is the powers guy using? The powers guyneeds to usehis abilities as a defense: intimidate them, kd them, choke them, then blast them with lighting. He is keeping his foe at bay with his tremendous powers (in theory anyway, I know this is not the case on live). A powers guy should be able to choke (root + dot), kd, and blast away without his foe ever touching him - hisbest defense is his offense.
But i definitely agree that defender skills should be an addition to whatever you have from your main template choices - to make you into a tank - not the only place a Jedi can get defenses.
Logically that makes sense .. but this is a game. If LS now has defensive mods (well it does already which in theory is wrong .. no not saying nerf relax) then Power to be an alternate possiblity to LS should have those same abilities in some form. ATM what you have is LS doing more damage (which is fine), providing defense (which is fine), at lower fc (which is fine), and has moves that mimic a combination of Powers moves(saberthrow) for lower force cost (this aint fine). Add in the ziplines to Powers which limits their mobility (their defense) and having its master ability Breach being pretty unproductive overall and there is a disparity.
Again, not saying nerf LS .. but think there are some good ways to increase Powers users to make them far more 'competitive' then they currently are.
Message Edited by Tamianx on 07-06-2005 04:10 PM
Tamianx wrote:
Again, not saying nerf LS .. but think there are some good ways to increase Powers users to make them far more 'competitive' then they currently are.
Aiight man, point taken. With all due respect, I don't want to get into what powers should or shouldn't be. My point is that the lightsaber, being a weapon that you can wield, should get 'weapon defense' like every other weapon in the game.
Ok, I will make one point about powers, then I'm done talking about powers. I don't necessarily think that they should get some innate melee and ranged defense etc, because that don't make sense. They should however, be able to overwhelm their enemies with force attacks enough to be a viable alternative to LS (picture darth sydious vs mace winduin ep3). Personally, not being that interested in going powers (although i love the idea of the root+dot combo with choke) I have no idea how that can be done, but don't really want to talk about it here. Perhaps in another thread. Thanks.
Nice points about powers above Tamianix. Now back to the topic :
Thelightsaber, being a weapon that you can wield, should get 'weapon defense' like every other weapon in the game.
Bah I say nuke the whole defender tree and spread out the defenses between LS, Enhancer, and Powers.
LS = Ranged and Melee defenses
Powers = Force power defenses
Enhancer = Armor, Aura et. al (the boosts)
The defender tree shouldn't even exist, either that or make melee and ranged get a seperate defense tree too.
OohBo wrote:
Nice points about powers above Tamianix. Now back to the topic :
Thelightsaber, being a weapon that you can wield, should get 'weapon defense' like every other weapon in the game.
Message Edited by OohBo on 07-19-2005 07:57 PM
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People have brought up the fact that other Professions have weapon specific defenses but we dont.
The weapon specific defenses add to both Melee and Ranged Defense.
I frnkly think they should add LS Defense +50 to MLS.
to counteract it they should remove about 25 from Master Defender. Not just from Master box but a little all over.
I would not want everyone going MLS / MDef even more so now.
But this would give Jedi some Defense without having to take Defender but would give a Master Defender more than anyone could get still.
block seems to work pretty well for me
Gohma_Manovich wrote:
would be nice but you'll always get someone to point out we get saber block (great 25% chance to block
Message Edited by alpinestreams on 07-06-2005 02:50 PM