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• Unnecessary- If they are stopping the interaction with objects and players while Cloaked, why is this needed?


• Accomplishes Nothing- If you have FR a snare does nothing. Basically, they are requiring all those who have FC get FR as well. Are they planning to NOT allow the use of FR while Cloaked as well as a silent nerf?


• Makes the Ability Useless- Adding a Snare to this ability is a DEATH-SENTENCE to Cloak. What is the point of Cloak? To move among others WITHOUT being seen. If they add a snare to Cloak, your Force will fall like a ROCK. The only way to make this work would be remove the on-going Force Cost to Cloak, and let Cloakers stay Cloaked forever (Oh fun). But why even do that? Just don't allow people to Channel while Cloaked and a Snare isn't needed!

And if you have Channel, what does this accomplish? Those with channel can still sit there and Channel, and those who don't have a useless ability.Unless they plan on not letting you Channel while Cloaked, which then makes it useless for everybody. Is there a stealth nerf here too coming?

Bac, I've supported you since you took your position, and I'm not happy I have to put this on your shoulders, but this is completely going too far and we need you step up and go toe2toe with the Dev's on this! This is just ridiculous! PLEASE ACT ON THIS AND DON'T LET THEM TAKE THIS LIVE!

Message Edited by MX13 on 09-19-2005 09:28 AM

Message Edited by MX13 on 09-19-2005 09:29 AM

/bump for Bac

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MX13 wrote:

Placing a Snare effect on Cloak is unnecessary, accomplishes nothing & makes this ability useless.

I can understand not allowing interaction with others or any interfaces while Cloaked. I can even stomach not being able to use Force Powers on yourself while Cloaked. But adding a Snare to Cloak is a JOKE!

Bac, please step up on this issue and address this with the Dev's now, before it's too late!

Since the revamp was first posted by the Devs I have been working with some of the other Correspondents to try and get things clarified and get the communities view/concerns addressed. Devs instructed the Correspondents to wait till monday for answers. We will have to wait and see what other answers we get today other than the statement from Helios earlier (Below).

• Unnecessary- If they are stopping the interaction with objects and players while Cloaked, why is this needed?


• They are stopping interaction with objects and players. Im not sure about self healing or other commands. Helios statement touched the subject indirectly but didnt answer what commands can and cannot be used. Again we have to wait until we get some more anwers today.


• Accomplishes Nothing- If you have FR a snare does nothing. Basically, they are requiring all those who have FC get FR as well. Are they planning to NOT allow the use of FR while Cloaked as well as a silent nerf?


• Helios clearly states the Devs intentions for cloak as seen below. "First Strike". I know with the snare it will be a bit harder to use and with the current issues of agro while cloaked and still being able to be attacked while cloaked it seems very unnecessary to add the snare. But make no mistake, the Devs never intended Cloak to be an escape tool. Blixtev has said this before too, "Alpha Strike". This seems to be another "Mabari Belt" issue where a broken mechanic in the game has lead to a false feeling abouthow theskill should be used.


• Makes the Ability Useless- Adding a Snare to this ability is a DEATH-SENTENCE to Cloak. What is the point of Cloak? To move among others WITHOUT being seen. If they add a snare to Cloak, your Force will fall like a ROCK. The only way to make this work would be remove the on-going Force Cost to Cloak, and let Cloakers stay Cloaked forever (Oh fun). But why even do that? Just don't allow people to Channel while Cloaked and a Snare isn't needed!


• Like I said before, the snare is not needed if Cloak cannot protect Jedi like it should. Cloak can still agro mobs and with a snare it will be much harder to evade them. Players and Bounty Hunters can still attack people under Cloak and until these are fixed there should be no snare.

And if you have Channel, what does this accomplish? Those with channel can still sit there and Channel, and those who don't have a useless ability.Unless they plan on not letting you Channel while Cloaked, which then makes it useless for everybody. Is there a stealth nerf here too coming?

Again we need a list of what can and cannot be done while under cloak. Until we get this list we wont know how bad this nerf really is.

Bac, I've supported you since you took your position, and I'm not happy I have to put this on your shoulders, but this is completely going too far and we need you step up and go toe2toe with the Dev's on this! This is just ridiculous! PLEASE ACT ON THIS AND DON'T LET THEM TAKE THIS LIVE!

I thank you for your continued support. As ive said, since the revamp was first posted by the Devs I have been working with some of the other Correspondents to try and get things clarified and get the communities view/concerns addressed.

My comments are in red above this point.

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Helios_SOE wrote:

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jultam wrote:

5. Some non-combat actions can also reveal you (like healing for instance)

I would like clarification on this as it pertains to forcecloak

here are some non-combat actions

ForceRun?

Forcespeed?

Channel?

logout?

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Force cloak is currently intended to be an alpha strike facilitator, not a "get oufa fight and regenerate free" card; nor was it intended to letme selectively bypass content. Force Run was designed to be a (more) balanced escape mechanism for Jedi. With the new hiding/stealth system, you can probably count on mostany action that would let you get backin the fight for free (after you would have probably lost) to breakstealth(including Force Cloak). That includes the abilities you asked about. As a general note, logging out/in whilst having a hiding/stealth buff on you (including cloak), removes that buff. If it looks like the fight is going southI tend to Burst/Force Run now.

Please keep in mind that everything is subject to more play testing and balancing.

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MX13 wrote:

Placing a Snare effect on Cloak is unnecessary, accomplishes nothing & makes this ability useless.

I can understand not allowing interaction with others or any interfaces while Cloaked. I can even stomach not being able to use Force Powers on yourself while Cloaked. But adding a Snare to Cloak is a JOKE!

Bac, please step up on this issue and address this with the Dev's now, before it's too late!

• Unnecessary- If they are stopping the interaction with objects and players while Cloaked, why is this needed?


• Accomplishes Nothing- If you have FR a snare does nothing. Basically, they are requiring all those who have FC get FR as well. Are they planning to NOT allow the use of FR while Cloaked as well as a silent nerf?


• Makes the Ability Useless- Adding a Snare to this ability is a DEATH-SENTENCE to Cloak. What is the point of Cloak? To move among others WITHOUT being seen. If they add a snare to Cloak, your Force will fall like a ROCK. The only way to make this work would be remove the on-going Force Cost to Cloak, and let Cloakers stay Cloaked forever (Oh fun). But why even do that? Just don't allow people to Channel while Cloaked and a Snare isn't needed!

And if you have Channel, what does this accomplish? Those with channel can still sit there and Channel, and those who don't have a useless ability.Unless they plan on not letting you Channel while Cloaked, which then makes it useless for everybody. Is there a stealth nerf here too coming?

Bac, I've supported you since you took your position, and I'm not happy I have to put this on your shoulders, but this is completely going too far and we need you step up and go toe2toe with the Dev's on this! This is just ridiculous!

Message Edited by MX13 on 09-19-2005 09:28 AM

Message Edited by MX13 on 09-19-2005 09:29 AM

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Blame all the cloakers that abused this skill, I.E. Cloak looting

Or maybe the origional poster can read how cloak was intended to be used. If its intended to be a first hit move, not a getaway move, then a snare shouldnt be a problem.

how can we first strike when we wont be able to get near anything ?

i dunno i normally see overt groups standing around in cities...shouldnt be that hard

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DarthPolecat wrote:
Blame all the cloakers that abused this skill, I.E. Cloak looting

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Bingo

PVE superstars FTW

Our main problem with all Jedi nerfing issues like cloak is that the devs never tell us what the skill is to be used for mainly....this is squarly the devs faults for no communication to the players. This is the first i have ever heard of it offically being used for anfirst strike capabilityinstead of a defensive move.After 5 months they finally say, oh, by the way, cloak is an offensive skill. what b.s. Its another close the barn door after the cows come home escape route to blame players for their lack of the devs being up front. Why does every single patch, stealth patch, bug, bug fixes, hot fixes and so on erode what little confidence i have left for soe. soe, please give this game to people who actually care about the theme and care about their customers.

Message Edited by KRAKEN666 on 09-19-2005 11:17 AM

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DarthPolecat wrote:
Blame all the cloakers that abused this skill, I.E. Cloak looting

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Blame the devs for making an ability without thinking of the consequences ?