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Thread: Cloak really being nerfed, or just an over-reaction?

MasterSheep
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:00 am
#1







Civic wrote:

would those certain actions possible include channel force too? caause if your snared and cant channel cloak will be a burden not a positive thats what im wanting to know, i can understand not healing others when cloaked, but i think you should still be able to heal yourself.




id generally agree with that - self buffs (enhancer) shaould still be able to be done cloaked - but assists wont - makes perfect sense. this is only IN CONCEPT atm - not even close to the TC



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Taborzoid2
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:01 am
#2

One last time.



So.........


I still have cloak at 0400.


I want to disengage an enemy, so I get 20m distance, cloak, Burst run, eat parawn cake, whatever, and move out of the area untouched?


(I still don't get why people want to channel while cloaked, unless it's so they can stick around, and aren't really trying to escape?) /shrug





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cloudwalker1
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:02 am
#3






MasterSheep wrote:
yep - it solves the abuse problems - without adjusting the basis of cloak....






LoL no it creates further problems like


/follow jedi and drain force easier cos with snare we have no way to escape


or


/follow jedi /duel friends area attack to kill cloaked jedi







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Quiet420
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:05 am
#4






Taborzoid2 wrote:

One last time.



So.........


I still have cloak at 0400.


I want to disengage an enemy, so I get 20m distance, cloak, Burst run, eat parawn cake, whatever, and move out of the area untouched?


(I still don't get why people want to channel while cloaked, unless it's so they can stick around, and aren't really trying to escape?) /shrug








exactly
Quiet420
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:08 am
#5






cloudwalker1 wrote:

/follow jedi and drain force easier cos with snare we have no way to escape


or


/follow jedi /duel friends area attack to kill cloaked jedi


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you like I win/don't lose buttons don't you? I'd hate to tell you what's going byebye from its current state next.
Civic
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:09 am
#6

um how is channel defensive use of cloak, its just as much offensive, when waitign for the resto of your group for pvp, or reconnign for pvp you need to channel, if you cant channel while cloaked anymore remove the force cost or minimize it alot more and how do you know cloak was intended jsut for offense quiet420, in my opinion it was meant for both offense and defense.




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Uneshoof
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:13 am
#7



You can't burst run while cloaked. Alot of jedi, like me, don't have enough sp for force run.MBH can also eat parwan cake. Snaring us when cloaked is pointless because, for those of us who do need to run away,if we can't get out of the area the MBH causes our force to drop...fast. For those of us who use cloak offensively, by cloaking and staying in the area, we need to be able to channel and regen a bit because of ou massive amount force cost and crappy sabers.Let's not tooforget the need to heal so we can continue the fight. We don't have good defense and we take lots of damage fast.


Getting the picture?



Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:19 AM

Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:20 AM

Uneshoof
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:16 am
#8

I guess, it's not really what they are doing to cloak that is so bad.


What's bad, is the effect it is having on the overall template of a Master Powers Jedi.
PalithiCitiezen
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:28 am
#9

why do you complain about the snare? your skill is a tier4 skill, the devs did it do a master skill already. but with some luck the bh will lose thier terrain neogation (ranger/scout revamp) so we might be a little faster again.
cloudwalker1
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:30 am
#10






Quiet420 wrote:






cloudwalker1 wrote:

/follow jedi and drain force easier cos with snare we have no way to escape


or


/follow jedi /duel friends area attack to kill cloaked jedi


Kei-kunn-smuggler/lastditch user lazy BH





you like I win/don't lose buttons don't you? I'd hate to tell you what's going byebye from its current state next.






no i dont like people exploiting bugs on purpose, and the above is a example of such a exploit,


you really like cheating then dont you if you think thats ok







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Civic
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:31 am
#11

the difference between th AI snare and cloak snare is pretty simple, AI you were untouchable and could still attack a god mode ability, cloak your invisible, still abole to be hit bye area attacks, and cant hurt anyone, so do not compare a snare on cloak to AI snare.




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Quiet420
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:38 am
#12






Uneshoof wrote:



You can't burst run while cloaked. Alot of jedi, like me, don't have enough sp for force run.MBH can also eat parwan cake. Snaring us when cloaked is pointless because, for those of us who do need to run away,if we can't get out of the area the MBH causes our force to drop...fast. For those of us who use cloak offensively, by cloaking and staying in the area, we need to be able to channel and regen a bit because of ou massive amount force cost and crappy sabers.Let's not tooforget the need to heal so we can continue the fight. We don't have good defense and we take lots of damage fast.


Getting the picture?



Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:19 AM


Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:20 AM




you can burst run THEN cloak


if your cloaking to escape you don't need to heal to continue the fight.....but your intent isn't to leave the fight....tada...this is a fix prompted by that very "tactic"


you have just as much ability to pick up defender and not take damage as anyone else...mpowers is better against bh's than msabers, especially if you have a crappy saber.


Uneshoof
Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:38 am
#13


I complain about the snare because when you are cloaked and can't get away it drains force power very fast.The MBH is in the area or possibly other npc's and animals. Those jedi using it to run away won't be able to because they are already low on force cus powers drains so much. Others who use it offensively won't be able to because they are saying no healing, channeling, etc. I use cloak offensively. When a MBH came by and, due to crap saber and low damage/accuracy/defense, after fighting for a bit, I needed to regen,I would cloak. I would stay 30-40 meters from the MBH while channeling and healingbecause I had to.


If you odn't play a MASTER POWERS template and are only, 0400, then this nerf will not have a big effect on you.


If you are MASTER POWERS then you can understand how this is crippling. Zip bars, low accuracy/damage/defense, most abilities only cause state effects, all abilities have high force cost, etc.


We NEED to heal and channel during fights while cloaked. The rest of the profession is so broken that it can't handle this nerf.

Message Edited by Uneshoof on 09-18-2005 04:41 AM

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