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Thread: MLS needs a boost, suggestions on Dervish
Until then, its busted
Torleen wrote:
Dervish, for being the uber speacial that a master of the lightsaber has, is still not worth the master box. If it were not for the other bonuses from Master Saber, I would not be a Master Saber now. Dervish and it's other saber counter parts used to be devastating. And while I dont think it should go back to what it was, it needs something. My suggestion, was either an area knockdown, an area Armor Break, or an area Bleed. Suggestions?
I think what the devs did was in their attempt to make CU more group oriented, dervish was one of those specials ( like many others) that they wanted to be used for groups. If you noticed, dervish has one of, if not the highest damage mod of all area specials (at least to my knowledege, i haven't checked them all). The fact that your doing the same damage to multiple enemies as one advanced saber throw does to one enemy actually makes dervish a decent special. However, i think the issue is that noone has ever valued a group oreinted attack over one that is single target focused. That's because most people would rather solo than group. I beleive that's because you gain more by soloing. ONly time people really favor grouping over soloing is when you do it with your good friends and guildies. Noone wants to group with a total stranger and go group hunting and share.
So for dervish to be a master level special and built for grouping, many jedi don't like it becuase of the above reasons. I think dervish current state is a bit useless simply because double blades spinning attack is the exact same thing with a little less damage. So dervish is nothing more than an advanced spinning attack.
Another issue I think makes jedi dislike dervish so much (and this is one of my issues) is that nearly every profession has a master ability that is very powerful which can change the tide of a fight. Stasis, A.I., stopping shot, choke, breech, critical shot, adv. sniper shot just to name a few. Some professions even have multiple abilities that aren't even in the master box which is more valuable and useful than dervish is. Point is that noone fears dervish in PVP, Even in PVE, dervish is only as good as your defense because to draw arggo from all the mobs around you is not a good idea if you dont' have the defense to handle it. So where other professions have master level specials that are powerful all by themselves, dervish is a master level special that needs support (either defender or other players). EVen then it's only good for groupgrinding because with no other special states and only an area attack, vs a single target it is not favored over power attack.
Some improvements that would be nice besides giving it blind, dizzy and stun at once would be to make it a traveling move. By that I mean make it an extended ranged move like lunge for brawler. If the damage is to be increased, then it must be made into a cone attack or a single target attack. I'd rather keep the area on it myself.
Either way, if you like dervish or not, MLS needs something more than what it has now. All the speed it has simply just brings a saberist up to par with normal professions speed anyway, having the master box in sabers don't give you speed that makes you faster than every one else, so that is not as special as most people think. However, the speed issue on sabers could change that if it ever gets fixed or if it even needs fixing at this stage of the game. I think that's the debate the devs are having now......does saber speed need to be fixed or is where it's at now adequate enough....with the rate that jedi keep killing Bh's, I'd say they are leaning towards leaving it the way it is.
One thing I would like to see though whether dervish is changed or not, is another saber special added to the master box. I can't really say what that special should do, but I'm leaning towards some kind of ability that would hinder your opponent somewhat....we don't really need another powerful damage dealing attack as body/leg/head hit and power attack are good enough. My reasoning is that the other melee professions have some kind of hindering move or one that enhances their professions.....like swordsman's Swords flurry giving a defensive bonus when used, or pikes intimidate. Frankly, the blind, dizzy, stun type of attacs are all too common to add another one of those to the master box and that's why I'm not really in favor of adding those to dervish although having them all in one move would be nice...but all that does is make 4 other jedi specials obsolete, therefore something else needs to be done with dervish. it simply is a useless move in PVP and only useful in PVE if your in a group or if your solo, if you have the defense to support using it.
Torleen wrote:
Dervish, for being the uber speacial that a master of the lightsaber has, is still not worth the master box. If it were not for the other bonuses from Master Saber, I would not be a Master Saber now. Dervish and it's other saber counter parts used to be devastating. And while I dont think it should go back to what it was, it needs something. My suggestion, was either an area knockdown, an area Armor Break, or an area Bleed. Suggestions?
STLpMpNu wrote:
Torleen wrote:
Dervish, for being the uber speacial that a master of the lightsaber has, is still not worth the master box. If it were not for the other bonuses from Master Saber, I would not be a Master Saber now. Dervish and it's other saber counter parts used to be devastating. And while I dont think it should go back to what it was, it needs something. My suggestion, was either an area knockdown, an area Armor Break, or an area Bleed. Suggestions?
I have to say it you sir are a moron. Area kd on dervish? Area Armorbreak? Area Bleed? Wow Lets just look at this from a objective point of view. Dervish does roughly 50-60 dmg less than lets say head hit. Now you want to area kd people with it? So not only do you dish out overpowering dmg yes i said overpowering Dervish is a AOE meaning its a 10 meter radius If anything it should be changed to a cone effect instead of a aoe. Anyway back ontopic Area knockdown is very powerful pikeman is the only proffesion with one and the dmg is extremly low because putting a high dmg on it would be OVERPOWERING. Area armor break? Armor break as is is already overpowered. It has low dmg because putting a high dmg with a armorbreak state would be yes you guessed it overpowering.
Like i said Dervish is overpowered not underpowered as you put it. The dmg output is through the roof with a aoe attack with that much dmg. The only proffesion in the game that can dish out that much damage. So aside from all the speed and accuracy you get from it i think you need to get over it and not make stupid suggestions that make the rest of the people think jedi are a joke.
Give the guy a break, no need to call him a moron. You do realize that any change to any ability means it will have to be balanced right. THat means if the guy was to get his wish of any one of those things, the devs will likely give dervish the same damage reduction that AB and sweep gets, like a .5 damage modifier. So just because someone suggest somethign like he has, doesn't make them a moron. Sometimes you have to give people the benefit of the doubt and read between the lines...sure it borders on assumption, but his post does not make him out to be a moron. he simply wishes that dervish could be better useful, because right now it's not a master level attack that it should be.
Torleen wrote:
Dervish, for being the uber speacial that a master of the lightsaber has, is still not worth the master box. If it were not for the other bonuses from Master Saber, I would not be a Master Saber now. Dervish and it's other saber counter parts used to be devastating. And while I dont think it should go back to what it was, it needs something. My suggestion, was either an area knockdown, an area Armor Break, or an area Bleed. Suggestions?
Yeah... /stretch... MLS needs a lot of help now that MPowers will be useless after Cloak nerf. Awesome idea.
Make the strong stronger and the weak weaker. Sounds like a good time to me.
Oh, I got a suggestion. Can I havea 32m radius knockdown, intimidate, armor break, bleed, stun, dizzy, blind, and choke move?
emovamalla wrote:
Torleen wrote:
Dervish, for being the uber speacial that a master of the lightsaber has, is still not worth the master box. If it were not for the other bonuses from Master Saber, I would not be a Master Saber now. Dervish and it's other saber counter parts used to be devastating. And while I dont think it should go back to what it was, it needs something. My suggestion, was either an area knockdown, an area Armor Break, or an area Bleed. Suggestions?
Yeah... /stretch... MLS needs a lot of help now that MPowers will be useless after Cloak nerf. Awesome idea.Make the strong stronger and the weak weaker. Sounds like a good time to me.
Oh, I got a suggestion. Can I have a 32m radius knockdown, intimidate, armor break, bleed, stun, dizzy, blind, and choke move?
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