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Surviving the Bounty Hunter: Preparation for the fight!

The Key to surviving a bh attack is preparation! Know your opponents and know yourself.

• Even if you are new to the jedi profession you should still be able to sense when you are vulnerable. Be on guard during these times. Make a plan. If I get attacked with 1/4 force or low health what can I do?

• Know your template. Practice your skills. Now with the group vis changes you can duel to practice without gaining vis. Use this, ask questions and find the combinations that work for you! Go to endor, with a bh friend, its not overly populated and not visited often. Start your duel at range. BH strikes first, and learn from your experience VIS free Treat it like its real, use foods and fight til the incap! Don't let them hold back, a real bh will not be merciful!

• Some skills are worth their weight in gold. If you have the stomach for it I recommend you pick up enhancer 3000 or at least 2000 instead of the channel line. Many will disagree with this due to the lack of channel. But the reasoning is simple, nearly all jedi have transfer force and your friends can help you out in a jam. The force run 1 and force suppression (root) is key in pvp. You are infinitely more difficult to kite and you can root if you are rooted as well to keep an attacker in range. PLUS you get force speed 2. GREAT skill for buffing yourself in the field. When the cm's debuff for -40 speed getting half of that back is the key to beating them.

• Look at the combinations that BH's use to fight jedi, what does each template have? What should I expect? Experience will tell you where you stand against each and how you must fight them or if you simply are overmatched.

Use your radar as a weapon! You know the bh is coming, you see his dot, act on this info!

• When you see the dot use the radar to get the name, then /tar and then /ex. Look at the possible template and badges. Information saves your life. Also, check to make sure its at least a CL of65 (unless you are under that level) before you get jumpy. Not all successful bh's are CL 80's some with great weapons can be dabblers so make sure you don't blow off that CL 76 firing at you.

• Communicate with your group! Group chat, Guild Chat, TS, Vent, whatever you use let them know you have someone coming, the jedi can prepare and help each other, if my friend gets attacked, I'll pull the aggro for him, now he can fight or run without having to worry or vice-versa. Encourage each other, you can beat many bh's if you have the will to fight, don't be scared!

• If you are not currently vulnerable CHARGE!!! the bh! This does two VERY important things for you first it gets you into melee range before he attacks you. Second the mental edge belongs to you now. Bh's are not used to being charged by jedi, most jedi will run (and you should still run if you are vulnerable) this leads to mistakes on the BH's part and even fear (you aren't afraid of them their edge is gone!), and the first strike advantage is gone. Now you control the fight, if they attack you they are vulnerable!

• If you find yourself in a vulnerable position now is the time to enact your plan. Are you going to run? Cloak? Let a mob kill you? Whatever you decided ondo itnow, before you get tefed. More on that later.

Vulnerability

• You are out soloing a krayt or other mob(maybe not even a high level one but enough of a threat to be a problem added to a bh attack)OR LOW ON FORCEyou need to have a plan.




• Run to a nearby house (risky if you don't make you will probably die and if you need to set up a house while grinding you probably aren't ready to defend yourself anyway).


• Get to a lake (watch out for combat droids and bomb droids, also you might still be attackable).


• Let a nearby MOB kill you (possibly the best solution if you are low on force or health, you will lose PVP rating, who cares?, but you will not lose xp).


• Force Run! (fast lol).


• Or Cloak but this might not be the best way to avoid a bh, suggestions from powers users are welcomed.

• Don't panic, you have time and heals. Use your brain, you can find somewhere to go, or just run!

Foods

• The KEY to winning will be your food buffs. They will keep your action and mind high enough to fight until the bh is dead.

• I use MS. Nil's food combo's




• Booster BLue


• Piketta Pie


• Vagnarian Canape


• Breath of Heaven


• Crispic


• Vegaparsine

• Its very useful to have a bh macro or a panic macro for bh encounters.

This is a useful macro for activating and being ready to fight:

Name: BHbuff

/ui action toolbarPane00; (thats for the first bar 01 would be the second...)

/ui action toolbarSlot00; (again the second would be 01 repeat to XX)

/ui action toolbarSlotXX; (however many for the foods you need)

/ui action toolBar01 (this is for the toolbar with your combat icons, it switches back after using the foods)

***** Fixed the macro, I didn't notice that I had not done it correctly until Atobe pointed it out, thanks!

A macro for force aura is useful as well, even infusion.

Name: auramacro

/force aura self;

/pause 47.5; (check the time to make sure its right)

/macro auramacro

Name: infusionmacro

/force infusion self;

/pause (25 for the basic 45? for the advanced);

/macro infusionmacro

Now tie it all together in a macro to ease preparation.

Name: BHmacro

/dump; (to make sure you don't have Multiple macros dropping your force)

/follow; (have the bh targeted BEFORE you activate this macro)

/macro BHbuff;

/macro auramacro;

/macro infusionmacro

Place this macro on your toolbar, it will save your life if you are caught off guard. When you hit it you havea few seconds to compose yourself and then bam you are in the fight. ALWAYS target the bh first! and DO NOT ACTIVATE THE MACRO UNTIL YOU ARE SHOT. Any decent bh would see your food and comeback on your downer. Make them commit to the fight before you do. Then you have them, and they might run from you!

Combat tactics

• Your template will determine how you need to fight as only through experience will you learn your limitations.


• My template is MLS/MDEF Enhancer 3000 Healer 2000




• I am very offensive minded with this template and rarely heal. With aura, infusion, force speed, and force run, I'm nearly unkitable. I recommend it if you like to dish out the damage and survive to admire your work. Lack of channel means down time, but power comes with a price. Always carry a holocron in emergencies.


• Feel free to post tips with other templates, as I only know mine and I do not wish to change it


• Armor break!!!! Even if they have the 75% slice this is important, you need to maximize your damage to force ratio to win. Even the mega healing bh's will run out of stomach or mind before you run out of force. Stick with it don't forget this skill!


• If they have cybernetic arms target them! A bh with ranged arms has NO armor protection on that part of his body, if you have body hit, use it! You have a chance to hit that unprotected area an that might sway the battle with an uber healer.


• Watch your combat log! Look at their attacks, and how much you hit with at each part, if you notice his helmet is not as strong make sure you head hit! Same for arms or legs, find the weak spot!




• Watch during grinding, when you see that RED player name, you know you are being bh'ed. Normally you will see them coming but we are not infallable. Be alert.


• Look at their attacks and healing values. If they are using high damage specials watch their action when it gets low, their offensive volley is over. Time to kick assthen KD for maxium damage.


• If you are being hit by a covered rifleman, don't charge him. Simply move outside his range, if he crawls to follow you it will take forever and your tef will evaporate leaving you free to fleeor he will be forced to reveal his position. A psg can indicate the direction the attack is coming from.


• A good PSG can be a lifesaver without much defender. I don't use one because I have a socketed belt, but the damage reduction and animation help in a fight. Use the animation to find that bh in a crowd.


• ALWAYS HAVE A HOLOCRON FOR EMERGENCIES!

BH Templates: What to expect

MBH/MRifles is all about dropping the jedi hard n fast. Especially with sniper shot. If worse comes to worse you can outlast most jedis force pool. Specially if their not wielding a preCu perfect saber or something near it.

-Thanks Gillik

In conculsion preperation for the battle is the most important thing to stay alive. When you are ready for bh's and charge them, you have the advantage. Use it, most bh's are not exceptional pvp'ers. However, some are. You will learn the ones on your server you need to avoid or switch up your tactics. Remember, if you do not lose XP, you win! If that means DBing the bh or running, you are deciding what is best for you. Don't be suckered to fight if you feel you can't win. You aren't their content and when you are stronger you might even feel they are yours!

Goodluck, may the force be with you!

Suggestions welcomed!

Message Edited by Yoiaholic1 on 09-25-2005 10:52 AM

Message Edited by Yoiaholic1 on 09-27-2005 07:46 AM

This is way too much information than necessary. The only thing Jedi have to know is that the bounty hunters that will kill them all have combat medic skills. The deadliest skill these bounty hunters have is NOT the "uber heals", but rather Thyroid Rupture.

A Jedi who does not have Force Speed 2 and is Thyroid Ruptured is as good as dead.

Get Force Speed 2, or that Speed Buff food to counter Rupture. If you don't, you're dead.

This is the only thing you need to know to kill bounty hunters.

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SWG_Miriam wrote:

This is way too much information than necessary. The only thing Jedi have to know is that the bounty hunters that will kill them all have combat medic skills. The deadliest skill these bounty hunters have is NOT the "uber heals", but rather Thyroid Rupture.

A Jedi who does not have Force Speed 2 and is Thyroid Ruptured is as good as dead.

Get Force Speed 2, or that Speed Buff food to counter Rupture. If you don't, you're dead.

This is the only thing you need to know to kill bounty hunters.

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I'm not sure that is totally true, I have friends that don't have force speed, the thing is you need to be offensive and get them to heal, or you need choke or some other power with your ls skills. CM's are not all powerful. I've had a few I thought about running from but I killed them with 2% mind left... Its all about how you play. Their debuffs only work if you attack them. You can honestly just stand there and laugh (one of my guidies like to play with bh's like that) and never be in trouble.

We should stop with the MBH/MCM is unstoppable. It just isn't true and make people fear bh's even more. MPistols/MBH CM 4000 is more deadly, they can actually damage you and heal like gods.

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Yoiaholic1 wrote:

We should stop with the MBH/MCM is unstoppable. It just isn't true and make people fear bh's even more. MPistols/MBH CM 4000 is more deadly, they can actually damage you and heal like gods.

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Your credibility just went out the door with this paragraph. Anyone who thinks that that pistols build you listed is better than the MCM build doesn't know what he's doing. LOL.

Thyroid Rupture. Believe it or not, but I'm pretty darn good at killing Jedi and I speak the truth when I say that Thyroid Rupture is the deadliest thing a BH can do to you. You can work to counter it or not, but the ones who don't are the ones who are dead.

Any new news on the "can't knockdown recovery while knocked down bug"?

I've had this happen 2 times to me recently, and both times I was knocked down right as I went to use stasis and it said "can't uses stasis while knocked down" first. I tried untargeting and hitting escape, butthat didn't work. It even told me that I coulnd't heal while knocked down.

I was thinking this might work like when you accidently channel or burst run while on a vehicle and it cues it up but does not activate it and will not allow you toclick on any other actiontill you get off the vehicle or type /clear.

I have not been able to reproduce this bug while practicing. Ipanicked big time the first time it happened and was only able to untarget and hit escape the second time. Does anyone know if creating a new macro with -

/clear;

/knockdownrecovery (not sure the command but you get the drift)

will stop this error from happening or am I completely off track here?

This bug is frustrating when it happens so I would like to be able to avoid it if possible. I don't mind losing to a bh when they get the drop on me, but laying on my back helpless while getting pummeled sucks .

Message Edited by Geddeo on 09-22-2005 11:21 PM

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SWG_Miriam wrote:

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Yoiaholic1 wrote:

We should stop with the MBH/MCM is unstoppable. It just isn't true and make people fear bh's even more. MPistols/MBH CM 4000 is more deadly, they can actually damage you and heal like gods.

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Your credibility just went out the door with this paragraph. Anyone who thinks that that pistols build you listed is better than the MCM build doesn't know what he's doing. LOL.

Thyroid Rupture. Believe it or not, but I'm pretty darn good at killing Jedi and I speak the truth when I say that Thyroid Rupture is the deadliest thing a BH can do to you. You can work to counter it or not, but the ones who don't are the ones who are dead.

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nice post man,

/salute

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Yoiaholic1 wrote:

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SWG_Miriam wrote:

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Yoiaholic1 wrote:

We should stop with the MBH/MCM is unstoppable. It just isn't true and make people fear bh's even more. MPistols/MBH CM 4000 is more deadly, they can actually damage you and heal like gods.

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Your credibility just went out the door with this paragraph. Anyone who thinks that that pistols build you listed is better than the MCM build doesn't know what he's doing. LOL.

Thyroid Rupture. Believe it or not, but I'm pretty darn good at killing Jedi and I speak the truth when I say that Thyroid Rupture is the deadliest thing a BH can do to you. You can work to counter it or not, but the ones who don't are the ones who are dead.

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Not true, You can't kill me with thyroid rupture lol. Your accuracy is nil and your dps is pretty low, however, the above master pistols can ABSORB my damage at full speed and actually dent me. Grant it the fight will be a long one as well but I have a harder time with him thenI would have with a MCM. I should know, I get 2-3 bh visits per time. And I no longer fear the MCM. I have force speed, that may be why but I'm convinced that its bh's like yourself that post this to get jedi to believe they can't beat you. I mean even if we were fighting to a stand still I wouldn't die to you unless I made huge mistakes, like missing aura for a minute. You are built to wear a jedi down, not kill them with damage.

This pistoleer build can do BOTH.

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