Jedi Archive

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HyperTension wrote:

Yes force armor and jedi armor do stack and with md u got around 7k armor and the cap is 10k so to hit that cap u have to have some sort of force armor.i have novice defender and force armor 2 and i got 7k armor because i get 1k armor from novice defender and force armor 2 i get 4k and then 2k from jedi initiate but i dont have arua so i dont get 500 def from that and mds get more melee and range def

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HyperTension wrote:
yes armor break is real bad for me since i dont have arua but i got 1500 heal so that helps but i can never be as tough as a md unless i atleast get arua but then it be bad on the force to have force armor and arua macro going

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Thanks for the feedback.

Before the CU, I was MLS/ME/Heal 4004

After the CU I was MLS/MDEF/Heal 4040. Then I got the big nerf and am trying to decide what to do. I like being a tank, but my current template is now a PvE thing, not a one on one PvP templatelike I was before Patch 19.

Message Edited by VYRIS on 09-14-2005 09:58 AM

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VYRIS wrote:

I have heard that Master Defender and Force Armor (4th box) do not really stack, or something like that. So the question is, is it worthwhile to get Master Defender and say the lesser Force Armor?

Is there some other Defense combination that is better, like Enhancer 0400 and Defender 4440?

Thanks.

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master defender + force armor is uselessm you will have like 3% less dmge, no big deal

i am myself enhancer 0400 defender 4040 and i got a better defense than master defenders (tested it)

dmge points taken: master defender = 475 dmge w/t enhancements

827 dmge when armorbreaked

455 dmge with aura

791 dmge with aura/armorbreak

now enhancer x4xx defender 4x4x= 429 dmge with force armor

818 dmge with force armor and armorbreaked

411 dmge with aura

782 dmge arorbreaked & with aura

was tested with a 700 dmge LS

some other numbers:

jedi innate armor dmge reduction

hope this helps

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huttu wrote:

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VYRIS wrote:

I have heard that Master Defender and Force Armor (4th box) do not really stack, or something like that. So the question is, is it worthwhile to get Master Defender and say the lesser Force Armor?

Is there some other Defense combination that is better, like Enhancer 0400 and Defender 4440?

Thanks.

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master defender + force armor is uselessm you will have like 3% less dmge, no big deal

i am myself enhancer 0400 defender 4040 and i got a better defense than master defenders (tested it)

dmge points taken: master defender = 475 dmge w/t enhancements

827 dmge when armorbreaked

455 dmge with aura

791 dmge with aura/armorbreak

now enhancer x4xx defender 4x4x= 429 dmge with force armor

818 dmge with force armor and armorbreaked

411 dmge with aura

782 dmge arorbreaked & with aura

was tested with a 700 dmge LS

some other numbers:

jedi innate armor dmge reduction

1000 = 10.5%

2000 = 20.0%

3000 = 28.5%

4000 = 36.0%

5000 = 42.5%

6000 = 48.0%

7000 = 52.5%

8000 = 56.0%

9000 = 58.5%

10000 = 60%

hope this helps

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huttu wrote:

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VYRIS wrote:

I have heard that Master Defender and Force Armor (4th box) do not really stack, or something like that. So the question is, is it worthwhile to get Master Defender and say the lesser Force Armor?

Is there some other Defense combination that is better, like Enhancer 0400 and Defender 4440?

Thanks.

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master defender + force armor is uselessm you will have like 3% less dmge, no big deal

i am myself enhancer 0400 defender 4040 and i got a better defense than master defenders (tested it)

dmge points taken: master defender = 475 dmge w/t enhancements

827 dmge when armorbreaked

455 dmge with aura

791 dmge with aura/armorbreak

now enhancer x4xx defender 4x4x= 429 dmge with force armor

818 dmge with force armor and armorbreaked

411 dmge with aura

782 dmge arorbreaked & with aura

was tested with a 700 dmge LS

some other numbers:

jedi innate armor dmge reduction

1000 = 10.5%

2000 = 20.0%

3000 = 28.5%

4000 = 36.0%

5000 = 42.5%

6000 = 48.0%

7000 = 52.5%

8000 = 56.0%

9000 = 58.5%

10000 = 60%

hope this helps

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try it against 5-10 npcs and watch your force bar drop like a brick

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VYRIS wrote:

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huttu wrote:

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VYRIS wrote:

I have heard that Master Defender and Force Armor (4th box) do not really stack, or something like that. So the question is, is it worthwhile to get Master Defender and say the lesser Force Armor?

Is there some other Defense combination that is better, like Enhancer 0400 and Defender 4440?

Thanks.

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master defender + force armor is uselessm you will have like 3% less dmge, no big deal

i am myself enhancer 0400 defender 4040 and i got a better defense than master defenders (tested it)

dmge points taken: master defender = 475 dmge w/t enhancements

827 dmge when armorbreaked

455 dmge with aura

791 dmge with aura/armorbreak

now enhancer x4xx defender 4x4x= 429 dmge with force armor

818 dmge with force armor and armorbreaked

411 dmge with aura

782 dmge arorbreaked & with aura

was tested with a 700 dmge LS

some other numbers:

jedi innate armor dmge reduction

1000 = 10.5%

2000 = 20.0%

3000 = 28.5%

4000 = 36.0%

5000 = 42.5%

6000 = 48.0%

7000 = 52.5%

8000 = 56.0%

9000 = 58.5%

10000 = 60%

hope this helps

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Nice!

A few questions if I may:

1) Without the ranged line in Defender, do you suffer at all in that regard? Or does Saber block do it for ya?

2) I assume you have MLS since you don't have Master D or Enh. And if you don't have any masters, how is your force pool?

Thanks!

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1) Ranged people usually drop very fast for me, my LS is pretty good though. Valor is nice to have but saberblock is enough, you can always use steak & ranged defense bio clothes, the ranged def & block food (dono if they work though). Ranged is nothing to worry about IMO, never lost against a ranged person so far.

2) My force pool is 6115 (i dont use robe), I nearly never run out of force except in a 1 on 1 duel against master defenders with pre cu sabers and in pvp with more than 30 vs 30. If you buff up ur health would be +4000 so now & then using channel does the job for me, have a holo rdy too. My worst fear in pvp are melee stackers.

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MajesticJester wrote:

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huttu wrote:

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VYRIS wrote:

I have heard that Master Defender and Force Armor (4th box) do not really stack, or something like that. So the question is, is it worthwhile to get Master Defender and say the lesser Force Armor?

Is there some other Defense combination that is better, like Enhancer 0400 and Defender 4440?

Thanks.

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master defender + force armor is uselessm you will have like 3% less dmge, no big deal

i am myself enhancer 0400 defender 4040 and i got a better defense than master defenders (tested it)

dmge points taken: master defender = 475 dmge w/t enhancements

827 dmge when armorbreaked

455 dmge with aura

791 dmge with aura/armorbreak

now enhancer x4xx defender 4x4x= 429 dmge with force armor

818 dmge with force armor and armorbreaked

411 dmge with aura

782 dmge arorbreaked & with aura

was tested with a 700 dmge LS

some other numbers:

jedi innate armor dmge reduction

1000 = 10.5%

2000 = 20.0%

3000 = 28.5%

4000 = 36.0%

5000 = 42.5%

6000 = 48.0%

7000 = 52.5%

8000 = 56.0%

9000 = 58.5%

10000 = 60%

hope this helps

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try it against 5-10 npcs and watch your force bar drop like a brick

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huttu wrote:

1) Ranged people usually drop very fast for me, my LS is pretty good though. Valor is nice to have but saberblock is enough, you can always use steak & ranged defense bio clothes, the ranged def & block food (dono if they work though). Ranged is nothing to worry about IMO, never lost against a ranged person so far.

2) My force pool is 6115 (i dont use robe), I nearly never run out of force except in a 1 on 1 duel against master defenders with pre cu sabers and in pvp with more than 30 vs 30. If you buff up ur health would be +4000 so now & then using channel does the job for me, have a holo rdy too. My worst fear in pvp are melee stackers.

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So that is a yes on MLS?

I have a pre-CU Polearm saber which is pretty decent. I ultimately am thinking about going 0404 saber, but I can't craft a comparable 2 hand post-CU saber that matches up with my pre-CU pole. So unless I can, I can either have a lesser 2 hand saber, or come up with some new Defense stacking around MLS.

My worst issue right now is losing mind on heals...also I hate that snare effect on AI now...it's like waiting to die slowly. I only used AI in mass pvp like you talked about, never on one on ones, but I have to heal so much in one on ones now, that I have to run AI, and then I am dead.