Items And Loot Archive

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Kaorset wrote:

Can't the power cells be used like kryat tissues in a factory to make more than one identical power handler so it can be used in rifles and carbines?

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Hmm, good point... this is why I'm not a weaponsmith I guess.

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BadgerSmaker wrote:

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Kaorset wrote:

Can't the power cells be used like kryat tissues in a factory to make more than one identical power handler so it can be used in rifles and carbines?

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Hmm, good point... this is why I'm not a weaponsmith I guess.

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It can

Hmmmm, juicy. My alt is working towards master weaponsmith, and I can't wait to see what a trando rifle with some of those 183 max dmg power cells will do :-)

ok gotta, do it stop u damn crying they cant fix the whole damn loot system at once i did countless all i got worth anything to me is bh armor with sucks us jedi cuz its kin lets face it game is in sorrest state ever mobs have no personality never will if they are all just a number all loot sucks cuz ull never be uber and ohhhhh u uber whiners make me the sickest r u so stupid that u cant see whole damn point to game is to get uber no u want the easy road bunch of cry babies only thing needed nerfed was templates but whine whine whine cry cry cry look at what greatness u cry babies did to this game so what do u do whine whine whine cry cry cry more whine about cl making combat stagnet and lame whine about gaining 350 pounds eating food 24/7 everything in this gae sux now u want a slicedo u why wont help u guns are capped and stay at a fixed level , how about all u real smart whiners use great strat cu bought to game like changing to kin and to energy wow then drag about how smart u are and how u can kill pointless mobs and get uber pointless loot how many capped kin and energy guns u need anyway ummm one of each weeee. im sure most of u real players are like me dont know why we still play memorys? Hope that game will get fixed? the need to try to stay up in case it does i ask myself this alot i really dont know took out almost all skills make players cutouts skills like dodge blockacc while moving list is huge of skills gone make us all same lame sucky players now we suck vs PvE too , i can solo level 89 who cares is a lame task now taking on 8 or so sith and those of u remember pre cu some of the battles we had man maybe that why we still play hope we can do it agian they turned us all into a bunch of sissies i dont care if u can solo boring same o same o mobs so sick of whiners they whine then get game trashed then whine more .....arrrr thats it for me needed to vent

Nezodon has made a great point in this thread that I think bears repeating.

BH missions require a substantially higher time investment, and an investment in consumable resources (probe and seeker droids), that "normal" missions do not require.

Here's how I see a BH mission:
Go to the terminal and get the mission.
Go to the SpyNet Operative and get the bio-signature.
Go outside town and launch a probe droid. Wait.
Travel to a different planet. Launch seeker droids. Wait.
Travel to a WP where your mark may or may not be present, or attackable.
Finish the battle and get your loot.

This process takes, at minimum 15-20 minutes. You cannot complete this in a group. There is no static spawn you can just sit at with a macro and get this loot.

Now here's a standard mission taken from a mission terminal.

Take two missions in the same direction.
Get on your bike and travel 1.5-2KM away, always on the same planet.
Clear out the spawn. Get your loot. Immediately travel to the next mission.

These missions take 3-5 minutes to complete. You can do them in groups. There would be static spawns you could go to with a macro and get great loot.

To all of those who are saying "We don't want a nerf, we just want the loot the BHs get" I pose to you this question:

Are you also willing to put up with taking 4x as long to complete a mission, having to travel to different planets, having to use consumable droids to complete the missions you would need to get that loot, and having to do it all solo?

If you are, fantastic. Let's get missions like that in the game for everybody.

If you're not, then do you really think "equality" is getting to access the same loot a BH is getting now while only having to do a fraction of the work and being able to bring along help?

Another problem with just globally bumping up the loot on high-level mobs is that BHs will just stop doing NPC BH missions again. Why would we go to all that trouble when we can just go to the Aakuan cave and macro ourselves up +25 clothing attachments and BH armor schematics?

The fundamental issue I'm not seeing most people address here is the ratio of work to reward. BH missions require more time and more work than a normal mission. Is it unreasonable to think that this should warrant a better reward?

While I admit I may be biased as I am a BH, I believe it reasonable to think that making "rewards" for missions even across the board, when the work required to do those missions is NOT even, is not equitable.

I strongly believe in equal reward for equal work, but I simply do not see a mission grabbed off a mission terminal in a group full of CL80s as equal work to a BH mission for somebody with Investigation III or better.

Message Edited by BinaryT on 08-11-2005 11:54 AM

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BinaryT wrote:
Nezodon has made a great point in this thread that I think bears repeating.

BH missions require a substantially higher time investment, and an investment in consumable resources (probe and seeker droids), that "normal" missions do not require.

Here's how I see a BH mission:
Go to the terminal and get the mission.
Go to the SpyNet Operative and get the bio-signature.
Go outside town and launch a probe droid. Wait.
Travel to a different planet. Launch seeker droids. Wait.
Travel to a WP where your mark may or may not be present, or attackable.
Finish the battle and get your loot.

*snip*

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Message Edited by Yasha on 08-11-2005 02:00 PM

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Yasha wrote:

Understandable, but justification of not doing anything about the rest of the game's attrocious loot tables is silly and more than alittle insulting.

Message Edited by Yasha on 08-11-200502:00 PM

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I believe you are not correctly characterizing my position.

At no point in my post did I suggest that none of the other loot tables should be improved. I agree that the loot tables for many other high-end NPCs deserve some tweaking.

However, I DID say (and I continue to say) that these loot tables should not just be made automatically equivalent to the BH loot table for purposes of "fairness" or "equality."

The loot table for a mission that can be completed in a group, has multiple NPC spawns (and therefore multiple chances for loot), and takes approximately 3-5 minutes to finish should not be the same as a mission that cannot be completed in a group, has only one NPC spawn (and therefore only one chance to loot), and takes approximately 15-20 minutes.

As for how the loot looks for a non-master BH, I can't comment as there seem to be very few non-master BHs reporting their loot. If the loot table for someone without even Investigation I is the same as it is for a master BH, then I agree the loot at that level should be toned down. "Investigation 0" missions should not have the same loot table as Investigation 4 missions.

Message Edited by BinaryT on 08-11-2005 02:15 PM

--Eeneos (Radiant)
Master BH, (almost)Master Carb
Former Master Shipwright and Weaponsmith (first maker of Vibro Knucklers on Radiant)

--Lecadli Oja (Bloodfin)
Aspiring Master Rifleman/Master CH, part-time Musician

I belive that either the loot drops from BH marks should be duplicated on some other NPC available to all professions or that the loot drops from BH marks should only be BH related items. right now BH are making more credits than any other profession, not only by taking PC jedi missions, but now also from a NPC that nobody else has a chance to attack. If the drops were only related to BH's, i.e. BH tapes, BH armor schem, BH weapons, etc.., then I would be ok with it. I do like that BH's have a mark they want to kill other than me though, hehe...

For example I see the smuggler items that are dropping from those marks being sold on the trade forums for up to 750k each. And I would be willing to bet that those same BH's would complain about having to pay over 1mil for a weapon slice, but that is what they are driving the market up too.

I agree that BHs are, in a sense, shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to slicing. When you, the supplier of goods, overcharge the service provider, expect the service provider to overcharge you right back. No argument there.

And as I said in my previous post, if the devs could cook up some kind of special mission for other professions that roughly approximates the amount of time and resources required by a BH to do their missions, then I am 100% for making that loot table as good as what a BH of comparable CL and skill level can get.

I'm still not quite sure how I feel about the idea of making all BH mission loot "BH-related." I agree I would like to see less "profession-specific" loot in BH missions unless it's BH-related, but removing it entirely seems like it could cause problems with the economy. (For example, if BHs could only loot BH weapons, and those weapons were higher-quality than what a WS could make, then BHs wouldn't be selling looted weapon component upgrades to WSs nor buying weapons from them.)

I'm more likely to favor something that gives all professions a good chance to loot something related to their profession, while still giving the chance to loot something they can sell to someone of a different profession.

Message Edited by BinaryT on 08-11-2005 02:40 PM

I know this has nothing to do with BH, but sith on dath are dropping nice tapes, atm with this phase you can find a nice group of em, there all level 76-77 if i can remember right and they sometimes respawn, not hard to kill at all. Just takes some effort to find em, but i found that they spawn quite a bit around the bases, and when the phase comes in when they attack the village there will be loads. I got a 1 handed LS acc 9 the other night.

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pasledgehammer wrote:
I know this has nothing to do with BH, but sith on dath are dropping nice tapes, atm with this phase you can find a nice group of em, there all level 76-77 if i can remember right and they sometimes respawn, not hard to kill at all. Just takes some effort to find em, but i found that they spawn quite a bit around the bases, and when the phase comes in when they attack the village there will be loads. I got a 1 handed LS acc 9 the other night.

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BinaryT wrote:

I believe you are not correctly characterizing my position.

At no point in my post did I suggest that none of the other loot tables should be improved. I agree that the loot tables for many other high-end NPCs deserve some tweaking.

However, I DID say (and I continue to say) that these loot tables should not just be made automatically equivalent to the BH loot table for purposes of "fairness" or "equality."

The loot table for a mission that can be completed in a group, has multiple NPC spawns (and therefore multiple chances for loot), and takes approximately 3-5 minutes to finish should not be the same as a mission that cannot be completed in a group, has only one NPC spawn (and therefore only one chance to loot), and takes approximately 15-20 minutes.

As for how the loot looks for a non-master BH, I can't comment as there seem to be very few non-master BHs reporting their loot. If the loot table for someone without even Investigation I is the same as it is for a master BH, then I agree the loot at that level should be toned down. "Investigation 0" missions should not have the same loot table as Investigation 4 missions.

Message Edited by BinaryT on 08-11-2005 02:15 PM

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Should it be "exactly" like them? No. With my 0444BH/4000CM/MPistoleer I can take out 82's without grouping, easily (probably need to group with an 80 to take out double-elites as my CL is 74, but the others I've gotten). At any rate, in 7 missions total now I've gotten 5 finely crafted toolkits, 3 AA's, transdoshan intraframes (think 4), 3 mandolorian intraframes and couple of other things. No CA's yet, but i haven't done many. 2 missions in a row I got fungi I think, but the rest were 3 piece looters. None of which I had to go more than 3k to do.

When I had MBH it didn't take that long to do, biggest piece is waiting for the dang droid, shuttle hoping isn't exactly a problem anymore. Endor, Yavin, and Dath are the only planets that would or should take that amount of time. Considering you also don't have to share any loot gotten with a group....