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Thread: Miss Exceptional Weapons?

thedarkdude
Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:22 pm
#27

i had a really good t21, i can't remember its stats all i remember was it had a damage slice krayt tissue and high damage, it is terrible now post cu but i still keep it.



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Imaridril
Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:06 pm
#28

Exceptional and Legendary weapons were too unbalanced, especially because the algorithms that the game used for generating random loot weapons were based on the stat ranges those weapons had had during beta. The result being that things like T-21s, which were nerfed shortly after launch, were coming out with rediculous stats when looted as an Exceptional or Legendary weapon. By the same token, weapons that were way underpowered at launch were still coming out as garbage, even when looted as an Exceptional or Legendary version, evenafter the crafted version had hadtheir stat ranges improved. That being said, the devs should at least turn yellow-named drops back on, especially for components. Those allowed players to get an item that was noticably better than aregular crafted version, but didn't give a single player a massively unbalanced amount of power.




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Buzziewaaba
Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:40 pm
#29







Alristico wrote:

exceptional weapons were stupid unless you actually had one. I don't know why you can't see that. You may have enjoyed being "separate" from the rest but try and justify it.

Message Edited by Alristico on 09-29-200510:43 AM






So life is a fair sack of potatoes? We all just need to get along? This is crap I'm sorry, by saying this all CA and AA drops should have some sort of LS attribute on them. With that then everyone should have their own PLC and BL the first time they go to the DWB. Things in the game need to stay rare, why else would you play? Point being that I loved exceptional and legendary weapons yet I never had one. I love mando armor and jetpacks now do I own one? I loved the NS bicep and until recently had never purchased one. I think these weapons where great for the game, give you a goal to shoot for.


There are two types of people those who set goals and work to accomplish something and those that want everything handed to them. Keep smoking the pot Hippie.

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Darkknight109
Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:42 pm
#30






Alristico wrote:





Zangar-X wrote:





Alristico wrote:






Joshwaloveslotr wrote:





Alristico wrote:

exceptional weapons were stupid unless you actually had one. I don't know why you can't see that. You may have enjoyed being "separate" from the rest but try and justify it.

Message Edited by Alristico on 09-29-200510:43 AM






I myself didnt have any exceptional weapons ..just some good ones but I agree with Ullysses......equalizing this game like they have done was just plain stupid and ruined a very unique game!


The have-nots are always whining about the haves just like in real life....and in swg their whines seem to have prevailed.






I never said the weapon selection isn't bland now because of the CU. Did I? Well Did I? I'm kind of sick of people responding to stuff I didn't say. Please show me where I said "eqalizing this game like they have done wasn't just plain stupid and ruined a very unique game"


Now about the have-nots always whining about the haves. There are tons and tons and tons of crap that I don't have but want. And I'm not whining about any of it. The only thing I am complaining about are players with these types of weapons....





Zangar-X wrote:
had an old exceptional t21, 2600/3600 damage, dont remember... post cu, the cap on them is supposed to be 1184... my exceptional one was nerfed to 1131... not even capped, what BS




That is god mode and it ruins the game for everyone else. If you don't agree than you've gotyour head up your butt. Stop being ignorant.







It makes me ignorant to use a weapon that I looted? Ive noticed that the people that start the name calling, are usually the idiots.... thanks for proving me right, again.





you people are unbelievable lol. Where did I say he was ignorant for using a weapon he looted? lol and you just called me an idiot.


Just so you know (and to repeat myself) I said he would be ignorant if he can't see that those weapons were unbalancing and made the game not fun for the rest of the players.


did ya get it this time?


anyone else wanna miss quote me? Seems like a common trend today.







I never had any exceptional loot. No incredible DOTs, no high damage rifle, nada. I still did not think these weapons were overpowered. It did not make the game any less fun for me. Quite the contrary, they were a lovely endgame to shoot for besides Jedi. Wanna be the best rifleman on the server? Go hunt Nightsisters and hope for that uber T-21 drop. Swordsman more up your alley? Try hunting for that legendary power hammer! These days it's "Want to be the best fencer on the server! Congratulations, you already are!! Along with the 8000 other Master Fencers right beside you!" I would give anything to have the days back where fights lasted under 5 minutes (or in some cases under 5 seconds), when compared with today's current "Oh look, here comes a BH. Meh, I have the next hour free, I'll fight him this time." PvP takes WAAAAY too long these days.

Message Edited by Darkknight109 on 09-29-2005 07:44 PM



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Alristico
Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:57 pm
#31






Buzziewaaba wrote:







Alristico wrote:

exceptional weapons were stupid unless you actually had one. I don't know why you can't see that. You may have enjoyed being "separate" from the rest but try and justify it.

Message Edited by Alristico on 09-29-200510:43 AM






So life is a fair sack of potatoes? We all just need to get along? This is crap I'm sorry, by saying this all CA and AA drops should have some sort of LS attribute on them. With that then everyone should have their own PLC and BL the first time they go to the DWB. Things in the game need to stay rare, why else would you play? Point being that I loved exceptional and legendary weapons yet I never had one. I love mando armor and jetpacks now do I own one? I loved the NS bicep and until recently had never purchased one. I think these weapons where great for the game, give you a goal to shoot for.


There are two types of people those who set goals and work to accomplish something and those that want everything handed to them. Keep smoking the pot Hippie.

Message Edited by Buzziewaaba on 09-29-2005 07:43 PM





Well good for you. Sounds like you've heard of these weapons but you've never experienced them. Just imagine having fun with a bunch of your friends pvping, you guys are doing really good untill one guy, just one guy, uses strafe shot and one-hit kills you all.


If you have experienced them then the only other reason why you would act like this is that you though you might eventually loot one so that you could make the game unfair for everyone else.


btw I don't know why you insulted me for sticking up for most of the players in this game who would like to see more variety in weapons but don't want players looting stuff thats 10 times better than the perfect crafted enhanced counterparts.


the funniest part was when you alluded to me wanting everythinghanded to me without givingany examplesor evidence of even just one thing that I wantedhanded to me lol.





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Alristico
Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:02 pm
#32






Darkknight109 wrote:






Alristico wrote:





Zangar-X wrote:





Alristico wrote:






Joshwaloveslotr wrote:





Alristico wrote:

exceptional weapons were stupid unless you actually had one. I don't know why you can't see that. You may have enjoyed being "separate" from the rest but try and justify it.

Message Edited by Alristico on 09-29-200510:43 AM






I myself didnt have any exceptional weapons ..just some good ones but I agree with Ullysses......equalizing this game like they have done was just plain stupid and ruined a very unique game!


The have-nots are always whining about the haves just like in real life....and in swg their whines seem to have prevailed.






I never said the weapon selection isn't bland now because of the CU. Did I? Well Did I? I'm kind of sick of people responding to stuff I didn't say. Please show me where I said "eqalizing this game like they have done wasn't just plain stupid and ruined a very unique game"


Now about the have-nots always whining about the haves. There are tons and tons and tons of crap that I don't have but want. And I'm not whining about any of it. The only thing I am complaining about are players with these types of weapons....





Zangar-X wrote:
had an old exceptional t21, 2600/3600 damage, dont remember... post cu, the cap on them is supposed to be 1184... my exceptional one was nerfed to 1131... not even capped, what BS




That is god mode and it ruins the game for everyone else. If you don't agree than you've gotyour head up your butt. Stop being ignorant.







It makes me ignorant to use a weapon that I looted? Ive noticed that the people that start the name calling, are usually the idiots.... thanks for proving me right, again.





you people are unbelievable lol. Where did I say he was ignorant for using a weapon he looted? lol and you just called me an idiot.


Just so you know (and to repeat myself) I said he would be ignorant if he can't see that those weapons were unbalancing and made the game not fun for the rest of the players.


did ya get it this time?


anyone else wanna miss quote me? Seems like a common trend today.







I never had any exceptional loot. No incredible DOTs, no high damage rifle, nada. I still did not think these weapons were overpowered. It did not make the game any less fun for me. Quite the contrary, they were a lovely endgame to shoot for besides Jedi. Wanna be the best rifleman on the server? Go hunt Nightsisters and hope for that uber T-21 drop. Swordsman more up your alley? Try hunting for that legendary power hammer! These days it's "Want to be the best fencer on the server! Congratulations, you already are!! Along with the 8000 other Master Fencers right beside you!" I would give anything to have the days back where fights lasted under 5 minutes (or in some cases under 5 seconds), when compared with today's current "Oh look, here comes a BH. Meh, I have the next hour free, I'll fight him this time." PvP takes WAAAAY too long these days.

Message Edited by Darkknight109 on 09-29-2005 07:44 PM




you obviously lack knowledge of the power these weapons possessed. Plz don't argue unless you know what you're talking about. Players are probably still selling credits on ebay that they made from soloing every mob in the game with incredible efficiency.



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Alristico
Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:07 pm
#33






Darkknight109 wrote:


I never had any exceptional loot. No incredible DOTs, no high damage rifle, nada. I still did not think these weapons were overpowered. It did not make the game any less fun for me. Quite the contrary, they were a lovely endgame to shoot for besides Jedi. Wanna be the best rifleman on the server? Go hunt Nightsisters and hope for that uber T-21 drop. Swordsman more up your alley? Try hunting for that legendary power hammer! These days it's "Want to be the best fencer on the server! Congratulations, you already are!! Along with the 8000 other Master Fencers right beside you!" I would give anything to have the days back where fights lasted under 5 minutes (or in some cases under 5 seconds), when compared with today's current "Oh look, here comes a BH. Meh, I have the next hour free, I'll fight him this time." PvP takes WAAAAY too long these days.

Message Edited by Darkknight109 on 09-29-2005 07:44 PM



also if you read the thread you'd realize its not the exceptional/legendary tags that I'm complaining about. Its the rediculous attribute values that some of them had. I already said a few times that the CU went too far with the equalization of everything.




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Darkknight109
Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:09 pm
#34






Alristico wrote:





Darkknight109 wrote:






Alristico wrote:





Zangar-X wrote:





Alristico wrote:






Joshwaloveslotr wrote:





Alristico wrote:

exceptional weapons were stupid unless you actually had one. I don't know why you can't see that. You may have enjoyed being "separate" from the rest but try and justify it.

Message Edited by Alristico on 09-29-200510:43 AM






I myself didnt have any exceptional weapons ..just some good ones but I agree with Ullysses......equalizing this game like they have done was just plain stupid and ruined a very unique game!


The have-nots are always whining about the haves just like in real life....and in swg their whines seem to have prevailed.






I never said the weapon selection isn't bland now because of the CU. Did I? Well Did I? I'm kind of sick of people responding to stuff I didn't say. Please show me where I said "eqalizing this game like they have done wasn't just plain stupid and ruined a very unique game"


Now about the have-nots always whining about the haves. There are tons and tons and tons of crap that I don't have but want. And I'm not whining about any of it. The only thing I am complaining about are players with these types of weapons....





Zangar-X wrote:
had an old exceptional t21, 2600/3600 damage, dont remember... post cu, the cap on them is supposed to be 1184... my exceptional one was nerfed to 1131... not even capped, what BS




That is god mode and it ruins the game for everyone else. If you don't agree than you've gotyour head up your butt. Stop being ignorant.







It makes me ignorant to use a weapon that I looted? Ive noticed that the people that start the name calling, are usually the idiots.... thanks for proving me right, again.





you people are unbelievable lol. Where did I say he was ignorant for using a weapon he looted? lol and you just called me an idiot.


Just so you know (and to repeat myself) I said he would be ignorant if he can't see that those weapons were unbalancing and made the game not fun for the rest of the players.


did ya get it this time?


anyone else wanna miss quote me? Seems like a common trend today.







I never had any exceptional loot. No incredible DOTs, no high damage rifle, nada. I still did not think these weapons were overpowered. It did not make the game any less fun for me. Quite the contrary, they were a lovely endgame to shoot for besides Jedi. Wanna be the best rifleman on the server? Go hunt Nightsisters and hope for that uber T-21 drop. Swordsman more up your alley? Try hunting for that legendary power hammer! These days it's "Want to be the best fencer on the server! Congratulations, you already are!! Along with the 8000 other Master Fencers right beside you!" I would give anything to have the days back where fights lasted under 5 minutes (or in some cases under 5 seconds), when compared with today's current "Oh look, here comes a BH. Meh, I have the next hour free, I'll fight him this time." PvP takes WAAAAY too long these days.

Message Edited by Darkknight109 on 09-29-2005 07:44 PM




you obviously lack knowledge of the power these weapons possessed. Plz don't argue unless you know what you're talking about. Players are probably still selling credits on ebay that they made from soloing every mob in the game with incredible efficiency.






Lack knowledge? Hah. I've been playing this game since late August, '03 (forum registration date is off because I never used the forums during my first year), and I have had the privelage of fighting both for and against the wielders of such legendary weapons. I knew full well their power and it really felt epic.... You knew it was going to be a good battle when you had one or more of these things on both sides.


As for credits, ever hear of something called Janta missions? They went down quick, no matter what weapon you had, an exceptional or legendary really wouldn't have changed much. Most of the time was spent going to and from missions. The credits online, if anywhere, are likely coming from the fallout of those.


EDIT: And I know full well what you're objecting to. It's the same thing I'm defending. I really could care less if they kept or dropped the Exceptional or Legendary tags, cool though they were. It was the idea that was the great part to it. Something to actually strive for after you'd finished your template.

Message Edited by Darkknight109 on 09-29-2005 08:10 PM



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Alristico
Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:20 pm
#35






Darkknight109 wrote:


Lack knowledge? Hah. I've been playing this game since late August, '03 (forum registration date is off because I never used the forums during my first year), and I have had the privelage of fighting both for and against the wielders of such legendary weapons. I knew full well their power and it really felt epic.... You knew it was going to be a good battle when you had one or more of these things on both sides.


As for credits, ever hear of something called Janta missions? They went down quick, no matter what weapon you had, an exceptional or legendary really wouldn't have changed much. Most of the time was spent going to and from missions. The credits online, if anywhere, are likely coming from the fallout of those.






so pvp was fun when players on both sides had exceptional or legendary weapons? lol ya I'm sure it was fun for them. You on the other hand are lying if you think you had fun while incapped.


and why didn't you mention pve? or was that fun too lol. I'm sure you had fun at the static spawns or in the krayt grave when someone soloed them all. I'm sure you had fun killing an elder and having one guy kill steal it from you after you get its ham almost half way.


yup it was all fun I'm sure.


and janta missions paid well, about 800k in a buff session, but those who made the big bucks took the money from the players who did the janta missions. Whether they werethe bestcrafters or insane looters with exceptional weapons. The millions of credits that were sold on ebay were definitely not from doing missions.



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Alristico
Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:22 pm
#36







Darkknight109 wrote:
EDIT: And I know full well what you're objecting to. It's the same thing I'm defending. I really could care less if they kept or dropped the Exceptional or Legendary tags, cool though they were. It was the idea that was the great part to it. Something to actually strive for after you'd finished your template.




if what I'm objecting to is the same thing you're defending than we'd be on the same side here buddy. We arn't. You liked the fact that someone could rule the game with insane weapons and I don't. That is the argument.





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Darkknight109
Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:31 pm
#37






Alristico wrote:







Darkknight109 wrote:
EDIT: And I know full well what you're objecting to. It's the same thing I'm defending. I really could care less if they kept or dropped the Exceptional or Legendary tags, cool though they were. It was the idea that was the great part to it. Something to actually strive for after you'd finished your template.




if what I'm objecting to is the same thing you're defending than we'd be on the same side here buddy. We arn't. You liked the fact that someone could rule the game with insane weapons and I don't. That is the argument.







Uh... no it wouldn't be. Objection means to stand against. Defend means to stand for.



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Anakroid
Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:36 pm
#38

Heres how caps shouldve worked, IMHO.


Weapon has no cap, BUT.... the enhancers are capped.


Say, for example, krayt tissue caps are 250 damage, -0.79 speed. Make it so that the higher the dmg, the rarer the drop. Crap tissue drops commonly, capped tissue is extremely rare. It wouldn't be so much different than the current system, but would make capped weapons less common, thus more desireable, and a real trophy.



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Alristico
Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:37 pm
#39






Darkknight109 wrote:





Alristico wrote:







Darkknight109 wrote:
EDIT: And I know full well what you're objecting to. It's the same thing I'm defending. I really could care less if they kept or dropped the Exceptional or Legendary tags, cool though they were. It was the idea that was the great part to it. Something to actually strive for after you'd finished your template.




if what I'm objecting to is the same thing you're defending than we'd be on the same side here buddy. We arn't. You liked the fact that someone could rule the game with insane weapons and I don't. That is the argument.







Uh... no it wouldn't be. Objection means to stand against. Defend means to stand for.






It also means a focus of attention, or the purpose, aim, or goal of a specific action or effort.


be more careful how you word things. Now why aren't you replying to what I said, or are you just trying to change the subject?





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