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Thread: Why Bother with all this Nice Pretty Loot?

BobaFettish
Tue May 10, 2005 7:00 pm
#1

Just wondering, cause other than Looks, Its pertty much the same as any Crafted Peice of armor or weapon.


With this New HArd Cap on all Weps & armor, My 3 Sets of Crafted Armor (1 Assault, 1 Battle & 1 Set of BH), are Maxed at their caps & Just as good, if not better than a Pretty peice of Clone armor. My Weapons are also all Maxed & i have several of each Ranged wep. Nothing Looted will be any better than them.


So Other than Wasting all this time Just to Look Pretty by Hunting Grievous & Other Boss Critters, Whos Rewards Don't give any one single player any sort of advantage, whats the Big attraction?


Six months from now every man & his bantha will be Identical in this game, all with the Best available "Most crafted & not looted", it will be Unreal Tornement all over again where everyone dose the same damage & takes the same damage. So why Bother hunting for something that Don't really Reward you for your efforts?



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Bzzzz
Tue May 10, 2005 7:15 pm
#2

Why not?



-Zz
BobaFettish
Tue May 10, 2005 7:33 pm
#3

Well think about it, are you going to go out & get a set of Clone armor & a nice Kinetic Reward rifle, that have no better stats than a Crafted set of Comp armor & a Tuskan Rifle?


Other than just looking nice, they have no practical use, My Comp will absorbe more damage than yours & My Tuskan Rifle will deal out more damage. Taking the effort to get all this new stuff whan a crafted peice is better is defeating the Purpose.


The Whole idea "in Every MMORPG", is to Get better equipment by Killinga Boss critter & looting him for a slight advantage. Take away the effect of a reward & all you have if a Showpony with no realpractical value.


Same goes for GKD Loots, Crystals etc. They cant max a wep or armor above the Stat Caps for weps & armor, so Anyone who puts something togeather with good resources & gets a wep to its Maximum Limits, placing a GKD Pearl in it won't boost it any furthr at all. It just becomes a name "Kryat T21", with the same stats as a normal T21.....2.4Million..heheh


Can you see the point i'm trying to make here? Loot rewrds Just Are'nt Worth the efort to collect.


Mind you, Some of the Decor Loots are Quite nice & worth the effort of Obtaining though, I will admitt to that.




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Bzzzz
Tue May 10, 2005 7:49 pm
#4

I've got crafted armor. It's been available by every crafter since the dawn of SWG. It's done. It's spent. I even have new post-CU armor. Hell, I've plunked down umpteen millions for layered post-CU faction armor.


I got the new stuff because it's interesting, and the quests were a nice diversion. For a change, I had something to DO rather than something TO GRIND FOR.


The clone armor quest was easy. It'd have been ridiculously so if the quest hadn't bugged, and I'd actually received the armor. But it was fun. Grinding up the cash for a similar suit of same-old, same-old recon/battle/assault suit took longer, was more complicated, and WAS BORING. And the proton carbine? Easy find, interesting diversion, AND the nicest stats of any carbine I've yet seen.


Fun on the one hand, boring on the other. Hmm..



-Zz
Lycantha
Tue May 10, 2005 7:51 pm
#5



BobaFettish wrote:

Well think about it, are you going to go out & get a set of Clone armor & a nice Kinetic Reward rifle, that have no better stats than a Crafted set of Comp armor & a Tuskan Rifle?

Other than just looking nice, they have no practical use, My Comp will absorbe more damage than yours & My Tuskan Rifle will deal out more damage. Taking the effort to get all this new stuff whan a crafted peice is better is defeating the Purpose.

The Whole idea "in Every MMORPG", is to Get better equipment by Killing a Boss critter & looting him for a slight advantage. Take away the effect of a reward & all you have if a Showpony with no real practical value.

Same goes for GKD Loots, Crystals etc. They cant max a wep or armor above the Stat Caps for weps & armor, so Anyone who puts something togeather with good resources & gets a wep to its Maximum Limits, placing a GKD Pearl in it won't boost it any furthr at all. It just becomes a name "Kryat T21", with the same stats as a normal T21.....2.4Million..heheh

Can you see the point i'm trying to make here? Loot rewrds Just Are'nt Worth the efort to collect.

Mind you, Some of the Decor Loots are Quite nice & worth the effort of Obtaining though, I will admitt to that.






GDK "Pearl" in a T-21? LMAO!! Are you an E-Bay account?

Get a clue, the Crafting community was gutted in this "Balance". Loot weapons are dropping with better stats than can be crafted with post-CU comps and there are NO schematics for most of them. My friend looted a Pike with 60m range yesterday.. go ask a WS for one, or a Proton, or Exploding shell, or ANY of the new worthwhile weapons.

You PHAT LEWT types got it all with this new game. The crafter based economy got shafted and it's all drops and loots now, thanks. Sorry that none of them are giving you the "I WIN" button you seem to be craving, but thats the breaks I guess.



Lasai Bilof
Mercenary
Master Carbineer Since November 03
Ronin


BobaFettish
Tue May 10, 2005 8:18 pm
#6

GDK "Pearl" in a T-21? LMAO!! Are you an E-Bay account

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Never proffessed to being a crafter, so i got no idea what goes in what, i Know that KD reaources can go into wepa & armor to boots them, but thats the point..., there is no point to them now, thay can't make an armor or wep any better now that there is a maxium cap on their stats. Any Good Resources will bring a weapon upto its max Damage cap, same with armor, Putting in little extras won't raise it any further.


And as for the Fun factor in the last post.... Sure it might have been fun, but what now? Once everyone has had some fun, there will be nothing to strive for. PvP will be Boaring cause the guy your fighting is Identical to you, You are Both Maxed with Weapons & with armoe & doing nothing to each other.


Like i said, I'm into Practicality more than i am into being a showpony. If i have no practical reason to Battle it out with a GKD or Grievous, then theres little use in me doing the quests. Sure many people are in the game for fun, but thre are just as many in it for PvP who want some Item rewards with Practical Applications.


Take for instance the old "Exeptional" Loot weps. My old DXR Acid Gun Did acctually Convert quite well, It has a Max Damage of over 900, but now that it's energy based, its not even as good as a Noob LvL created DL20 "well thats a bit of an overkill" but you know what i mean. Rewards for Use in battle are No where near as good as crafted items, it should be the other way around. But since it isn't, then theres no Use in Preforming the taksks to get them. They will do a Practical PvP Player any good.


This is why I am Slightly Peeved, They made the game fun and all, but took away the Practicality of doing Hi LvL Mobs for an advantage. I Know in the old system, there were Uber Gods running round 1 hit killing every one & every thing & I agree that something needed to be done. But taking all advantage out of a game & making everyones Best Exactly the same is going to kill SWG altogeather., Once everyone has done the Quests once & had some fun, there will be nothing to do. PvP will be pointless, cause everyone is 100% evenly matched unless you Condone Ganking.


There is no Challenge in a PvP game where everyone is eventuallym, exactly the same.



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Bzzzz
Tue May 10, 2005 9:12 pm
#7

So is your question *really* "Why have fun when you can grind?"




-Zz
trabickle
Tue May 10, 2005 9:18 pm
#8






BobaFettish wrote:


There is no Challenge in a PvP game where everyone is eventuallym, exactly the same.






huh? Wouldn't it take wits instead of relying on gear then? Is that why there is no challenge in Counter Strike?


you're nuts.





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BobaFettish
Tue May 10, 2005 10:14 pm
#9

You are Missing the Point.


They have taken all the individuality out of the game by Making everyone Exactly equel, after they have obtained MAX't out Gear.


Wits you say....'Yeah Right".


"Points to the sky"...And says..."Ohhh Look theres an Eagle"....., Hope the other player Falls for it as you go to Kick him in the Codds.


There are no Wits in this game, PvP is pretty Full on once you start a fight & Only "ONLY" your equipment is going to Save or fail you"....And if by Wits you mean, Some guy challenges you, you Quickly run off to collect a gank squad... Well yeah i spose that "Could" be considered using your wits.


The way i see it, having 100's of "Identical" Maxed out characters running about, one of two things will happen.


1. SWG PvP becomes a stailmate


2. It becomes a Twitch Based Frag Fest.


The Devs & Those Monkeys who Wrote the Code for the CU Didn't have the Forsight to Keep Players Individuals & not just Exact Clones of each other.





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Israth
Tue May 10, 2005 10:46 pm
#10






BobaFettish wrote:

You are Missing the Point.


They have taken all the individuality out of the game by Making everyone Exactly equel, after they have obtained MAX't out Gear.


Wits you say....'Yeah Right".


"Points to the sky"...And says..."Ohhh Look theres an Eagle"....., Hope the other player Falls for it as you go to Kick him in the Codds.


There are no Wits in this game, PvP is pretty Full on once you start a fight & Only "ONLY" your equipment is going to Save or fail you"....And if by Wits you mean, Some guy challenges you, you Quickly run off to collect a gank squad... Well yeah i spose that "Could" be considered using your wits.


The way i see it, having 100's of "Identical" Maxed out characters running about, one of two things will happen.


1. SWG PvP becomes a stailmate


2. It becomes a Twitch Based Frag Fest.


The Devs & Those Monkeys who Wrote the Code for the CU Didn't have the Forsight to Keep Players Individuals & not just Exact Clones of each other.






Ok, so your gear is exactly the same. That makes you rely on your tatics. Who will win? The guy spamming his best special? Or the guy who plans out his attacks and carefully hits states and such?

Bzzzz
Tue May 10, 2005 10:53 pm
#11



I Think that You are Missing the Point of Your Own Topic (there... did that follow your rules of CapItaliZation?)


You asked us why we bother gathering new loot, when there's equally good crafted materials already out there. You did *not* ask us why the new systemdumbed down the old system. You did *not* ask us to compare new loot weapons with old, pre-CU Legendary-Krayt-Pearl-UberDot weapons in their Legendary-Krayt-Pearl-UberDot-allowing system. You asked:





BobaFettish wrote:

Just wondering, cause other than Looks, Its pertty much the same as any Crafted Peice of armor or weapon.



Or roughly translated: "Why wear fancy new armor when it's pretty much the same as the oldcrafted stuff you could buy weeks ago?" Which begs the inverse question "Why wear the same old armor when there's interesting new stuff that's just as good?"


"I-Win"-button uberloot is dead, my friend. All there is now is personal preference and self-expression. Ok, and maybe tactics, strategy and teamwork. There's that too, I suppose.



-Zz

Message Edited by Bzzzz on 05-10-2005 10:54 PM

Felixaron
Tue May 10, 2005 11:09 pm
#12






BobaFettish wrote:

You are Missing the Point.


They have taken all the individuality out of the game by Making everyone Exactly equel, after they have obtained MAX't out Gear.


Wits you say....'Yeah Right".


"Points to the sky"...And says..."Ohhh Look theres an Eagle"....., Hope the other player Falls for it as you go to Kick him in the Codds.


There are no Wits in this game, PvP is pretty Full on once you start a fight & Only "ONLY" your equipment is going to Save or fail you"....And if by Wits you mean, Some guy challenges you, you Quickly run off to collect a gank squad... Well yeah i spose that "Could" be considered using your wits.


The way i see it, having 100's of "Identical" Maxed out characters running about, one of two things will happen.


1. SWG PvP becomes a stailmate


2. It becomes a Twitch Based Frag Fest.


The Devs & Those Monkeys who Wrote the Code for the CU Didn't have the Forsight to Keep Players Individuals & not just Exact Clones of each other.







I'm seeing more individuality now than before the CU. Don't you remember when EVERYONE was wearing Composite armor before? I think they are going in the right direction with armor classes, hopefully they expand upon it and add more types, but definitely on the right track. And that "PHAT L3WT" isn't going to be much of a problem. All of the quest items are a one time deal. At the rate armor decays that new Clone armor won't be around very long, weapons of course will take longer (unless you don't insure or get rez'd) to decay, but the point is once those items are gone, they are gone. So I don't think we're going to be seeing carbon copies here, every combat class has it's advantages and disadvantages, PvP won't just go away, or become a stalemate. Just because both players have 1337 weapons and armor, it doesn't guarantee a victory, you still have to be smart and make the right choices to win.



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Vander_Legion
Tue May 10, 2005 11:11 pm
#13

The CU is making everyone exactly the same? No more individuals? Where were you for the past who knows how long when EVERYONE you saw was running around in the exact same comp armor, with the exception of maybe some wookies and bounty hunters? Now there's 3 types of armor, and several different kinds for each type. As for weapons, some of the weapons ive been looting in RotW are better then any crafted weapons ive been able to find.



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