Image Designer Archive
Thread: trying to master image designer
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Camellion
Mon Jun 21, 2004 2:21 pm
#1
I just picked up novice enertainer, to be an image desginer. I got image desgin 1. But now i need to image design,50 things, each taking about 60 seconds to get lvl 2. at that rate it would take, almsot an hour to get lvl 2. Does it ever get better? or will i have to grind for 61/2 hours for each of the last four skills in ID.
BaraccusKeth
Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:52 pm
#2
well at ID 4 in the ent tree, you will be able to do eye color changes which will net you 150 xp on yourself and 300 xp on others, and take 2.5 min in and 5 min out of the tent. this is a decent step up from hair changes, but is still very slow, taking around 12 hours for a 4th tier box grinding on yourself in the tent (half that if you are working on someone else). When Publish 9 comes out stat migrations will give 2000 xp for a 10 minute change, so they will be the best xp for the time, but you will have to have a second person, since you can't migrate yourself. Even with that xp increase it will still be a long grind for master ID though. I wish you good luck and patience in your future ID profession
BaraccusKeth
Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:54 pm
#3
Oops, I meant you get eye color changes at ID 2, not ID 4, stupid no edit button
Drygo
Mon Jun 21, 2004 8:50 pm
#4
It won't get any better until the publish that makes stat migrations worth 2k. I know I'll be thankful for this. But, it's still going to annoy me that you're going to have the grinders who will find a buddy to migrate 1 stat point every 10 minutes and make master 5 times faster than I will. But, hey, I guess, in the grand scheme of things that doesn't really matter. You're always going to have people who do that. And, I guess the good outweighs the bad here. It will cut down the 2304981768 hours that I have to spend in that tent.
Probably what's going to be worse is the catfights in the tent over which ID gets to migrate stats. LOL. I'm already starting to level up in Marksman so I can duel for them. 
Areli
Mon Jun 21, 2004 9:17 pm
#5
Drygo wrote:
It won't get any better until the publish that makes stat migrations worth 2k. I know I'll be thankful for this. But, it's still going to annoy me that you're going to have the grinders who will find a buddy to migrate 1 stat point every 10 minutes and make master 5 times faster than I will. But, hey, I guess, in the grand scheme of things that doesn't really matter. You're always going to have people who do that. And, I guess the good outweighs the bad here. It will cut down the 2304981768 hours that I have to spend in that tent.
Probably what's going to be worse is the catfights in the tent over which ID gets to migrate stats. LOL. I'm already starting to level up in Marksman so I can duel for them.
Your buddy doesn't actually have to change anything. As long as the "migrate stats" button is checked, you get exp. And as I mentioned in another thread, try to find a crafter who is grinding with a good stock of materials to be your dummy, all they do is sit around and craft anyway, another UI isn't too much skin of their backs.
DarthVralic
Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:53 pm
#6
And what stinks about increasing XP for Stat change is instead of them paying us we may have to pay THEM to let us work on their stats to level up.
Can you imagine the buttons you will have to push with two accounts on two computers to level up your characters ID?
can you imagine only being able to get XP from customers?? that would take you forever!
sigh
I hope they get it right someday until then I will level up ID infrequently as it is the MOST boring game play time I have ever spent even in macroing Tailor which at least you see some progress from
Cyn
Reiella
Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:05 pm
#7
DarthVralic wrote:And what stinks about increasing XP for Stat change is instead of them paying us we may have to pay THEM to let us work on their stats to level up.Can you imagine the buttons you will have to push with two accounts on two computers to level up your characters ID?can you imagine only being able to get XP from customers?? that would take you forever!sighI hope they get it right someday until then I will level up ID infrequently as it is the MOST boring game play time I have ever spent even in macroing Tailor which at least you see some progress fromCyn
Four for Eye Changes. [Ever 2.5 minutes]
Five for Stat Migration. [Ever 10 minutes]
Versus, the practically 40 per minute we had under old system...
Yea it's really bad :x.
KeyTokikoMima
Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:57 pm
#8
Solution:
( 1 ) Sign up for a free 14 day account. Get/borrow a wireless mouse. Rent enoughmovies/books to keep you entertained for several days.
( 2 ) Edit your 'options.cfg' file and save it so you can run two accounts at once on a single computer. Unless you have two computers, and then.. more power to you, friend.
( 3 )Setup a two person macro (Preferably one with an audible alarm, so you can turn off the monitor.)
( 4 ) Image design your alt accountto the top or bottom of a Body change. Set the mouse pointer on the arrow on the opposite extremeof theselector bar. Apply /afk to both your characters.
( 5 ) Remove the ball from your mouse and/or scotch tape over the laser so it can't move. Turn off monitor
( 6 ) Clickthe mouse buttononce every 2 and a half minutes or so while reading books/watching movies.
( 7 ) Every 4 hours, check your progress. Train skills if necessary. Reset alt account back to top or bottom. Repeat 5, 6, and 7 as necessary.
Within7 days or less you should be a Master Image Designer, even if you onlyfollow this4 hours a day. No third party programs are necessary for this method, and everything I said is within the scope of the EULA.
Areli
Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:06 pm
#9
DarthVralic wrote:
And what stinks about increasing XP for Stat change is instead of them paying us we may have to pay THEM to let us work on their stats to level up.
Can you imagine the buttons you will have to push with two accounts on two computers to level up your characters ID?
can you imagine only being able to get XP from customers?? that would take you forever!
sigh
I hope they get it right someday until then I will level up ID infrequently as it is the MOST boring game play time I have ever spent even in macroing Tailor which at least you see some progress from
Cyn
You only have to push one button on one account thanks to /ui action defaultButton. And don't forget, patch 9 is going to "help" our exp progression, for those with multi accounts.
That idea to use 14-day trial accounts is a fantastic thought though. Then we can all grind ID without partners; as long as their going to force us to do stat migrations, we should advocate using trial accounts to any and all ID hopefuls.
Maisland
Thu Jun 24, 2004 3:19 pm
#10
Good idea. I know that there is no way I could have made it to master without my second account. It took long enough as it was.
Areli wrote:
You only have to push one button on one account thanks to /ui action defaultButton. And don't forget, patch 9 is going to "help" our exp progression, for those with multi accounts.
That idea to use 14-day trial accounts is a fantastic thought though. Then we can all grind ID without partners; as long as their going to force us to do stat migrations, we should advocate using trial accounts to any and all ID hopefuls.
DarthVralic
Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:03 pm
#11
Funny that the only ones not complaining about the time constraint vs exp on leveling ID are the masters?!
Instead of buttons you know I meant time!
sheesh..
I have an auto accept macro on my ID leveling and I sat there using my SISTER for two hours on one level and still didn't level it yet!! (and that was only for 20000 exp) I can get that in less than an hour with Tailoring.
Like I said, the masters only care about time constraint cause they didn't have it before.
and you pushed alot of buttons because with each button came some experience!
think about it
Cynnamon
Areli
Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:02 am
#12
DarthVralic wrote:
Funny that the only ones not complaining about the time constraint vs exp on leveling ID are the masters?!
Instead of buttons you know I meant time!
sheesh..
I have an auto accept macro on my ID leveling and I sat there using my SISTER for two hours on one level and still didn't level it yet!! (and that was only for 20000 exp) I can get that in less than an hour with Tailoring.
Like I said, the masters only care about time constraint cause they didn't have it before.
and you pushed alot of buttons because with each button came some experience!
think about it
Cynnamon
Actually, cynnamon, I've found it's a bit of a misconception among (understandably) irritable novice ID's that the MIDs support the timers, and are happily resting on their laurels with no new competition. I am a MID, but I mastered under the new system (publish 9, which is a bit easier but still a b****). If you look around the forums, the masters complain about the timers too, and the ID community here is working hard to improve our exp progression. I don't think I've ever met someone happy that it took so friggin long to be an ID... people are glad it isn't a two hour grind now, but not glad that it's weeks and weeks of sullen boredom.
Like i said above, there are some good reasons the MID timer is shorter, and it shouldn't make you much less competitive anyway. I've never had an ID take less than the timer time. It only makes a difference when grinding, as far as I've ever seen.
Reiella
Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:43 pm
#13
DarthVralic wrote:Funny that the only ones not complaining about the time constraint vs exp on leveling ID are the masters?!Instead of buttons you know I meant time!sheesh..I have an auto accept macro on my ID leveling and I sat there using my SISTER for two hours on one level and still didn't level it yet!! (and that was only for 20000 exp) I can get that in less than an hour with Tailoring.Like I said, the masters only care about time constraint cause they didn't have it before.and you pushed alot of buttons because with each button came some experience!think about itCynnamon
Hmm, 20,000 ID XP, Over 2 hours, Means you're averaging around 166/min, so prolly just 120xp/min and using eye color changes
[300/2.5]. So, roughly 3rd skill box. Yea, it is rough, but at the same time, you're only about another hour away [at the same pace you were going before anyway] from getting that box, or another two hours from getting a Level 4 box.Yes it is slower, but comparing against individual skill boxes is a poor way to make the point [since the roughly 7200 xp/hr rate puts even the Level boxes at 5 hours a piece]. At least you ahve a rate increase to look forward next tuesday though, would take about 3 and a 1/3 hours total to get a Level 4 Skill box then.
Further comparing specific experience point rates between Tailoring and Image Design is a poor idea due to well experience being different xp rates [with Tailoring costing an guessitimate of about twice the numerical value of ID]. Although you still have a fair point, you can gain Tailoring experience faster, especially if you multitool grind.
And ironically still, that rate is faster than my progress through ID at the beginining. Not saying I had it harder or even that I didn't have it easier. Just that it isn't really fair to say we have no concept of how long this profession now takes to master. Especially when its the masters who have been running the numbers for detailing exactly how long the profession takes to master now. And read there are a few current IDs who appreciate the new system, of course quite honestly we don't hear back from them that often after they post that they just got to Novice ID or Hair Styling II and are happy with the system and folks iterate to them to come back when they're at Box 4 or what not
.Personally? I dislike the current rate of advancement for Image Designers, it's far too slow. However, the more I read these ramblings and the more I get inclined to run numbers for folks, the 'less bad' the situation appears. I do rather enjoy the numerous threads that are striving to help Image Designers 'handle' the situation as it is currently, as at the very least, they are helping.
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