Image Designer Archive
Thread: Things you hate to hear Customers say.
FuschiaD
Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:38 am
#105
Beery wrote:
"Me: Um, aren't you going to pay for the stat migration and ID work?
Customer: How much did yu say ?
Me: I charge between 10-30k for stat migrations and 2k for ID work.
Customer: Are you kidding me? You should pay me for this shiet. "
I never end the session without getting payment. I always tell them that if they don't like what I've done I'll change it back, but payment is required or I cancel the session.
Agreed. I'll be damned if I'm gonna let some random schmuck I don't know walk out with a free makeover. With the exception of stat migrations, I work for tips anyway. That usually seems to pay fairly well, too. I have one particular client that comes to me all the time for little stuff - eye color change, holoemotes, hairstyle change - and ALWAYS pays me 10k. He makes up for the stupids. 
Oh! Sorry. I've accidentally brought up the mood of this thread! Now I need to find a pet peeve to talk about.Uhm, how about... when people send me a tell and assume that just because I've worked on them (or a friend of theirs) before, that I'll be willing to run immediately to wherever they are and do whatever they need. And I HATE IT when people send me waypoints. I don't travel, ever. If someone wants my services, they can come to me.
Maisland
Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:05 am
#106
Beery wrote:
"Me: Um, aren't you going to pay for the stat migration and ID work?
Customer: How much did yu say ?
Me: I charge between 10-30k for stat migrations and 2k for ID work.
Customer: Are you kidding me? You should pay me for this shiet. "
I never end the session without getting payment. I always tell them that if they don't like what I've done I'll change it back, but payment is required or I cancel the session.
So true. They don't pay, I don't commit.
Back when Ssumidra was grinding (and stat migrations only gave you 600 xp), I had one guy come in and ask for a stat migration. During the session, he also asked for an eye color change. I did both, then told him I charge 10k for stat migrations. He offered 2k and told me that since I wasn't a Master, I shouldn't charge so much. I pointed out that there is no difference between a stat migration given by a Novice and one given by a Master. We argued all the way through the timer, at which point, he said that I might as well accept since I had finished... raising his offer to 3k. I finally cancelled the session. Later, a fellow ID sent me a /tell asking me if I wanted to take care of him since she was busy and didn't want to... he had apparently asked her if she would migrate him for 3k. He he... I naturally replied with my reasoning behind my fee of 10k... 1k per minute... and told her about what had happened.
Luti0n
Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:50 am
#107
Now that masters take 0 time in the salons for non-stat migration stuff, I'd never let them get away with accepting then coming back. Sorry to hear you were taken.
As I said on another thread, I swung through the Theed salon on Starsider over the weekend so I could try to redo my own hair color to match a new dress. Ended up spending 1 1/2 hours doing stat migrations. Anyone complained about my price, I remided them that there were at least 3 people ahead of them and by the looks of it 5 more behind them for the price I quoted. Only had 1 walk away and had 3 whining saying they'd pay me 200k if I'd migrate them instead of logging for the night. Sorry but 600k is not worth 1/2 hour of lost sleep when you have a 11 month old baby in the house.
-Lution
evenstarred
Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:11 pm
#108
My perspective on it was, he had planned it that way and would not have paid me for my time even had I insisted he pay me before I pressed the commit button. He never had any intention of paying for those services. Either way, my 10 minutes would've been wasted and that's what was at stake in the situation - my time. His honor anddignity were at stake as well, and he soldthem to me for the price of a stat migration and some ID work.
Message Edited by evenstarred on 07-20-2004 04:23 PM
Syzygy-Gorath
Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:09 am
#109
That's sort of the point—you've lost ten minutes one way or the other…but there's no reason to allow an **edit** like that to benefit from it.
evenstarred wrote:
My perspective on it was, he had planned it that way and would not have paid me for my time even had I insisted he pay me before I pressed the commit button. He never had any intention of paying for those services. Either way, my 10 minutes would've been wasted and that's what was at stake in the situation - my time. His honor anddignity were at stake as well, and he soldthem to me for the price of a stat migration and some ID work.
evenstarred
Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:20 am
#110
I suppose you're right, although I tend to look at extreme situations like this as having
an important meaning and lessonfor the individual and not necessarily for me. I lost
nothing but time, but he lost a great deal more.
Beery
Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:10 am
#111
"His honor anddignity were at stake as well, and he soldthem to me for the price of a stat migration and some ID work. "
I'm afraid that kind of person has no honour or dignity. They treateveryone with disrespect, so how can they have any respectfor themselves? As far as this guy was concerned, he gained big time by doing what he did. Words like respect, honour, dignity - these are meaningless to the sort of fellow that will cheat you out of payment in broad daylight and in the midst ofa crowd of onlookers.
Plagvreugd
Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:55 am
#112
I'm in the squill cave, armoured, buffed, with a friend and about four or five squill guardians around us. Someone else, a few meters off: "Hey Thewt, can you do a quick stat migration?" "Ehm... I'm in the middle of something here actually." "Yeah but when you killed those squills?" Yeah sure, I'll just run out of the cave, get on my bike, back to Bestine, let my buff go to waste to migrate your stats. Think again.
Thewt
Kameckobe
Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:58 pm
#113
Well, today I was migrating a TON of people <woot go me lotsa cash> and this one Mon Cal came in, he says.
I need a migration, what do yall charge.
15K I /tell him.
15k?!!?!?! <in spatial>
WHY DO YOU CHARGE THAT FOR SOMETHING THAT TAKES NO RESOURCES??!!??!!?!?!!?11seventeen???
Because its the way I make my living.
UR SUCH A SCAMMER!
Then the other two IDs in the tent group both turn him down, /addignore him.
Then this other lady comes in.
Hiz.
Hello, I reply.
Oh no ur ruinning the muzic <me and another friend were playing some folk>
Why? you actually want to listen to 5 notes repeated over and over?
Yea lotz of ppl hu com in here 2 listen 2 muzic.(lotz of ppl hu com eh?, i think)
Sigh, then a doctor no less comes in, thinks my price is totally unheard of, absurd! <a freakin doctor>
Well, needless to say, I migrated a few more people, did some haircuts, then logged cause i was too ticked off to play
evenstarred
Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:47 pm
#114
Kameckobe wrote:
Well, today I was migrating a TON of people and this one Mon Cal came in, he says.
I need a migration, what do yall charge.
15K I /tell him.
15k?!!?!?!
WHY DO YOU CHARGE THAT FOR SOMETHING THAT TAKES NO RESOURCES??!!??!!?!?!!?11seventeen???
Because its the way I make my living.
UR SUCH A SCAMMER!
Then the other two IDs in the tent group both turn him down, /addignore him.
Then this other lady comes in.
Hiz.
Hello, I reply.
Oh no ur ruinning the muzic
Why? you actually want to listen to 5 notes repeated over and over?
Yea lotz of ppl hu com in here 2 listen 2 muzic.(lotz of ppl hu com eh?, i think)
Sigh, then a doctor no less comes in, thinks my price is totally unheard of, absurd!
Well, needless to say, I migrated a few more people, did some haircuts, then logged cause i was too ticked off to play
And here we have a perfect example of an image designer who could potentially quit image designing or the game itself, over the false impression given by too many grinders grinding image design and too many novices giving our skills away for free or generating a tip-driven mini-economy in a hard cash galaxy. If you'd like to read further on the topic, see this thread
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=image_designer&message.id=24301
IRalar
Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:07 pm
#115
When a human asks "Can you give me red eyes?" .. I don't know what to say 
I can't give you red eyes buddy sorry
Yea, 3000 people lining up for stat migrations is pretty annoying too, especially when your doing it and its past minute 3 and "What, im not paying that? I'll find someone else. *cancel*"
I can't give you red eyes buddy sorry Yea, 3000 people lining up for stat migrations is pretty annoying too, especially when your doing it and its past minute 3 and "What, im not paying that? I'll find someone else. *cancel*"
Beery
Wed Jul 21, 2004 6:22 pm
#116
"WHY DO YOU CHARGE THAT FOR SOMETHING THAT TAKES NO RESOURCES??!!??!!?!?!!?"
This is typical of many players' attitudes towards theentertainer professions. It's based on a complete misunderstanding of how commerce works. If I find an originalPicasso in my attic, do I say to myself "well, that cost me nothing so I'll sell it for$1 at a garage sale" or do I say "Hmmm. An original Picasso. I could sell this at auction and make millions"?
The cost of producing something has absolutely nothing to do with the selling price. The selling price is determined purely by the laws ofsupply and demand. In other words the market determines the price. The only difference between our service and that of a Droid Engineer is that a DE's overhead forces him to stop selling his goods if the market price for his finished product drops under his raw materials cost. Anyone who thinks that a DE (or any other profession that involves an overhead)should make more than an Image Designer simply because an ID has no costs has no clue about economics.
I think some players need to learn the basics of capitalism.
HalloranElder
Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:25 pm
#117
Hmm, it looks like Dork the One-Star has been trolling through here again. Such immaturity.
One of these days I really need to get Queeble to an Image Designer. He's far too short. You try switching from the tallest Wookiee in the game to the shortest Rodian and see how you feel.
Keep up the good work people.