Image Designer Archive

What I, as a Master ID, would like to see are the following. Most people have already explained these in detail, so I won't further spam the board with that, simply consider those without explainations agreements with the others who have already posted.

1) Numeric values for each slider, or, better yet, palettes instead of sliders.

2) Live changes. If I change to the "Wolverine" hairstyle on a male, he should immediately see it change on his screen so that he can tell me if he likes it or not.

3) Craftable make-up for lip color and eye shadow, including eye-shadow remover. Perhaps not one for every color, but I honestly think this could bring alot of life to our profession! Sold on a vendor or on the bazaar, this is a great way to make a little side cash while you're working on your other talents! My personal choice being Fencer. Frankly, I don't believe it will take away from the profession at all, in fact, it will spread the word that not only can you change those simple colors, but by visiting an ID you can change hair color, style, and everything else about yourself!

4) A "restore to default" button. Highly important when someone doesn't want your changes.

5) Tatoos for other races. Just make a palette and allow them to be selected, nothing complicated. I've had a ton of requests by men, specifically, to give them a tatoo on their arm of something or another.

6) No more default brown hair color! If I change someone's hair to be blonde, I don't want to see brown when I'm done, it sorta defeats the point if I can't see how it looks.

Of the above, I would place numbers 2 and 3 on the top of the priority chart.

Image Designers are pretty cool, being able to change one's look completely and all. Yes, the user interface is slightly cumbersome and could use alot of work but you know what else could use alot of work? The most broken profession in the game...read on;

Droid Engineer Current Bug List

Modules

Clusters frequently break crafting modules
Cluster modules fit into cluster modules
Item & Data storage do not work in the Surgical or Surgical Adv. Droids
More than one crafting station in a droid break all but one of the crafting stations
Data modules are non-functional (Do not store droids, pets, waypoints, or missions)
Armor modules 5 and 6 do not function as Heavy armor
Repair modules do not repair the droid they are installed in (HAM or wounds)

Combat

Mention of adding combat droids...no details, no timeframe.
Mention of adding certs for combat droids...no details, no timeframe.
Probots are less powerfull than non-CH pets
Droid repair kits do not work - 'You don't have anything in need of repair.'
No true player-crafted combat droids (NPCs are selling them for faction points thus bypassing the player economy)

Customization

Droid appearance can be customized but not saved
Advanced models of droids look just like standard models
Everything that you want in a droid must be inserted at the time of creation (No aftermarket modules or powerups)
"Your droids customization fades a little" error message when calling a droid
Customization line doesn't do anything
Droid names use the standard name filter (Even though we had a patch saying numbers would be allowed)

Bazaar/Selling

Droids dragged from the datapad to the secure trade window are invisible
Droid deeds don't appear in right category in bazaar (misc)
Can't sell tamed droids in bazaar (there is a category under Entity)
Information in the datapad about your droid no longer updates (commands, etc.)
Droids lose vitality but vitality packs do not exist for droids
No usefull descriptions in schematics or details window
Descriptions don't list all the modules installed in a droid (Crafting)
Bazaar/Vendor listing does not show original deed name (Only in trade window)
No decay rate for non-combat droids (combat droids have extremely slow decay)

Droid Effectiveness

Have to click multiple times to get 'call' to appear on radial menu (Recent bug)
All droids have the same inherent functions with the except of Probot and Power droids
LE Repair Droids do not repair (Even when built with a repair module)
Surgical Droids do not heal group members (NPC Surgical droids do)
Surgical Droids do not have a built-in Medical module
You may only control one droid at time (no use for Power or Repair droids)
Droid Engineers can not repair their own droids
Binary load lifter does not accept modules and has no inherent functions
Droids with no attack capabilities have attack speeds and damage base modifiers in the datapad
Patrol point list is not saved between store and call
'Converse' droids do not have a programmable 'repair' command
LE Repair, Surgical and Protocol Droids can not be named due to "converse" type menu
Power droid with a repair module does not grant the 'repair' option
Power droids are the only droid with a non-modular function
Droids are not giving any UXP
No power indicator on droids

Crafting

Experimentation on droid parts has no noticeable effect on final droid
Experimentation on final droid has no noticeable effect
Resources qualities have no noticeable effect on final droid
Assembly/experimentation/customization capped at extremely low values (55 at Master)
Storage Module 2s coming out as Data Module 2s during the assembly stage
Incredibly long and tedius to level at novice (Craftable products have no use)

This thread is about the IMAGE DESIGNER INTERFACE, it has nothing to do with changing races, chef bugs, and droid engineers bugs. We haven't even been addressing all of the bugs in ID itself, just the user interface! If you have concerns other than the ID interface post on the developer forum, quit hijacking this thread. I wish Rilawyn had the ability to delete these non-sensical posts.

I apologize for hijacking this thread, and all the other developer threads but since our forums get absolutely zip for dev repsonse, we don't have much of a choice. I'm sure I'll be warned and tracked by Vahn but until then I'll keep posting until a dev repsonds...

These hijackings are not meant to upset the general user population, just to bring the plight of the DE profession to the dev's attention...

To the hijackers... Lay off! How many ID's came to your forums and tried to hijack your threads? This is the first time that our class has been contacted to help resolve issues since release... give us our moment please.

As far as changes, a lot were already said, but to reiterate:

Multiple changes queued

Real time display of changes to the client before they click accept

The ability to cancel a change

Secure trade window so we can insert a fee if we desire

I can live with sliders, just give us a number to look at

Real lighting that doesnt depend on ambient, external, or personal sources

Here is my list of simple fixes that will greatly inprove the ID UI:

1. First, fix the existing light, or add another one, so that it points straight ahead (follows the target reticle) instead of being a big overhead light. The current light casts wierd shadows when trying to get in close to see eyes (a must for doing eyecolor) etc.

2. Attach numbers to all sliders

3. Attach names (or numbers, or both) to things like hairstyles, facial hair, tattoos, colors, patterns, etc.

4. If you plan on continuing to use a mixture of sliders & picture selections, then make it so that sliders are only used for adjusting sizes/shapes of existing body parts like weight, nose length, etc. ButNOT for tatoos, patterns, colors, etc. Those should all have picture boxes instead.

5. Make the items choices that use picture boxes (see above) be viewable to the client too.

6. If you don't want the client to see the picture box, then ditchthe whole picture box processalltogether & replace the whole thing with sliders for ALL theIDoptions, but allow the client to see the changes as we move the slider over too, instead of the whole committ/accept/refuse process, it takes way too long.

IDs need a special interface where both the ID and the customer can see the proposed changes. Something like the trade window, but with a character model in the picture portion. When both agree, click accept, and done!

ok...more on what i was saying earlier, i didnt have time to get to all of it. im going to mirror some of this into my thoughts on tailoring, as ive done both professions now.

id like to see something similiar to the character creation window with some expanded capability.

first of all, there should be a button down the side for each of the sections we get on the small ID windows that currently exist.

secondly, there should be new choices for "show this entire set to the user" where they can look at the hairstyles on a sample model, and pick what they want if they need to. its nice to get someone that completely trusts you to work on them, but face it...they usually want to pick what they get...so why not let them.

changes made should be stacked until the end of the session.

there should be an option to charge a certain amount per minute, which should automatically be deducted from the clients money. the timer and session should automatically end if the client does not have the money in their bank or cash, or combination of the two. i cant tell you how many times ive wasted an hour to have the client at the end go "just put it back the way it was and lets be done with it" because i cant give them cornrows because their species wont allow it. the image designer should then get back a rundown of changes the user will allow commitment for, and the image designer at this point can key in a final price (in addition to the per minute fee). all the user should have to do is the final commit, which automatically transfers the funds to the image designer, or cancel the changes only having the per minute rate deducted.

users should be presented with color palletes, as well as sample hairstyle palletes to choose from, but the image designer should still maintain control of what they do for people who want full service. (this same exact idea should be applied to tailors, who should get a custom order terminal for their house. clients could choose what they wanted, then select from material colors themselves, based on the tailoring skill of the person who owns the structure the terminal is in)

in addition to the default character creation screen, at the bottom right should be a 3x3 grid containing radio buttons...so only one can be selected. this should be a light source positioning tool. it will let you position the light just over the character, in front of, beside, or diagonally from the client, in addition to having a slider to adjust the height, and one to adjust the intensity of the light.

all changes made should go into a queue system, with the ability to remove changes to be made before the session ends, or go back and make modifications to a single change on the client if the client so desires.

the image design process should take as much time as it does not. when the queue is completed, and is ready to be commited, each change in the queue should require enough mind to commit the next change. there should be a delay between each one if more mind is required. image designers should be able to order the queue so they can get the smaller changes out of the way faster. this would allow for some type of knowledge of your profession to be learned to get the customer out of the door as quickly as possible.

image designers should be able to zoom in to extreme levels on their clients bodies...if you guys do ever get the stuff working like scars, this could serve useful, and lets face it...being able to zoom in on the eyes would be a big help already.

time for me to go home from work, so i will try and think up some more, get it all organized and find a better way to present it than just a "spewing of whats on my brain into a textarea"...i understand this isnt very nice looking, nor is it very well organized

--keelin, bloodfin master image designer and squad leader (strange combo eh?)

~ Need an easier way to view clients without having to sit in their laps to do makeup. Its to dark and all that squirming around makes it difficult to see them. Better light, A "freeze" mode or something, Ability to zoom in closer.

~ Color Charts with numbers, Percentages for things such as Toros,Height, Weight etc, Numbered hair styles and a mirror type thing like you suggested that the client can see.

~ We also need a way to sercure getting paid, A temporary hold on the work done until the final accept button with payment added or something. This gives us a way to secure payment and them a way to insure nobody is going to give them something they dont want and run off.

If I HAD to choose a single thing here its going to be the color pallettes, those sliders are just awful

~Caitiri Ca'Mora~

Black Sword Division

Master ID/Dancer

Thank you Ood_Bnar

I would just like to add my support to all of the ideas brought up that have been discussed on our ID board over the past several weeks, most comprehensively written down by FishWan.

Special request: Please do not make it so we cannot do anything else in the game while ID'ing. I'm also atailor and it really gets my goat having to wait and wait with the black modal screenbefore being able to see my tells, check emails, run away from a fearsomeangered mob, etc.

I think the ID community is one of the most constructiveand forum-productive ones out there A note to the trolls that our profession has never even had our correspondent issues responded to, yet this is one of the most patient, optimistic groups of players in the game. Follow their examplein your own forums.

Did I say Ood_Bnar rocks!!

I would like to add to my previous list one or two refinements. I apologize in advance if what I'm about to list are coding bugs that lie in someone else's domain. I'm not sure if these are UI problems or other, more secretive bugs -- heck, our entire profession is a UI -- but as long as you're looking at the window interface, please consider the following:

If you give us a number for height, please list it in comparable game units. That is to say, give it to us in centimeters or meters. Many people want to approximate their own real-life height for their characters, and we have no way at all to judge relative scale. (Giving us a comparable figure in kg for weight would be very hard to code, but it would be amazingly impossibly cool.)

If you give us a color palette, please make the blocks larger than the CCfor such things as lipstick and eyeshadow. The tiny rectangles of color in the character creator are very hard to see. That's probably because multiple palettes are crowded on the screen at once. I want nice big easy-to-see easy-to-click color swatches for that stuff.

When we change Zabrak hair/horn style, the horn color defaults to dark brown. Somehow there is a bug that causes this and it may be buried in the UI somewhere. I have a lot of requests to fix this one: novice entertainers have played with hair/horn styles and can't fix their horns.

When we change hair styles, the hair color defaults to0 for everyone but the client. This may also be buried in the code behind the UI. Everyone else (including the ID) will see the new hairstyle as hair color 0 (which is dark brown for humans, orange for rodians). The client will see the hair color perfectly. Everyone else will see dark brown until the client flies a shuttle, logs out, or dies. (Basically until his shape reloads.) This bug also happens when we try to change hair color without changing the style. Something in the execution ofthe hair style-colorcommand is broken.

The button labeled "Eye Shape" actually changes Eye Angle. Also, the command /imagedesignsetvalue eye_shape also changes eye angle. Something here is haywire.

There is no button for Eye Angle. See above. Eye Angle can be adjusted with the Eye Shape button; Eye Shape cannot be changed at all.

Other buttons that do not show up properly: freckles for men, Twi'lek eyebrows and ears, Torso slider for most males. I'm sure the other IDs have a more comprehensive list of missing buttons. In fact, I'm sure Kwee has probably already said something about this. (Go Kwee! )

There is a very, very, very nasty bug in the ID interface that occasionally sets things to zero. It is difficult to replicate reliably. Sometimes when we try to adjust something (such as height, mouth size, or other numerical sliders) the slider wavers for an instant at the proper place... then drops to 0, the far left. The original setting is lost. Even if the client refuses the change, it still happens! We might be styling along peacefully, and we click to open the Mouth window, and boom! The mouth setting drops to 0. Even if we Escape back out without changing, itstill changes! What causes this? Is it a UI problem? I suspect so, but can you fix it, pretty pretty please?

Torso slider is backwards for females. The slider is "maximum size" at the far left and "minimum size" at the far right. This seems wrong to me. Can it be made the right way around (bigger to the right, smaller to the left)? This is probably caused by the /imagedesignsetvalue torso#. Negative numbers in the command line get bigger results. I don't know if the torso slider for men does this because we ain't got one. (Write that down too.)

Escia Baetkor, mID, MD

Come on people don't be so mean, sheez.

I'm not an ID,but I do respect others peoples right to have funTHEIR way. Anytimepart of SWG is improved its good for us all.

Ok well, as a still training ID, I can't really say much more than what everyone has put in, Kwee especially. I just want my vote to count that something is done, bugs fixed first, and a more intuitive interface for both the ID and the client is put in place.

Keep up the good work everyone