Image Designer Archive
Thread: Rudeness
Perhaps a possible solution would involve a more complex system of getting XP (not making it harder but taking longer to get). For example, one could 'rate' you on your changes and then you get XP that way. Sure, this is just an idea but it would require much more clicking and cut down on grinders...
I thought it was fixed at one time and then weeks and weeks ago it came back,,,been so long I cant really remember,,
I have ALL SORTS of problems with the original post. First of all, they call Rilawyn rude and quote this as an example:
"And when you have a very easy skill such as Image Design, you end up with people wanting to pick it up for the wrong reasons, and eventually causing problems with the existing masters of that profession (such as insulting the profession itself)."
Why is this rude? It's God's honest truth. The fact is, there will always be people who want to master a profession for the wrong reasons. And when you're mastering something to use an exploit, or to grief another player, YES, that is a wrong reason, at least according to the terms of service given us by SOE. And as long as you're playing THEIR game, you have to play by their rules.
As for us calling people trolls, and then being upset because we are called gay... "trolling" is a gamer-related term and you can't ignore the fact that someone IS trolling a board when they are. And we get our fair share of trolls. They come in, make threads about wanting to get to master ID as soon as possible so they can drop out of this gay profession and assert their manliness again by killing anything in their path. We constantly have to deal with people coming in and trying to make our chosen profession seem a less valid one than, say, creature handler or pistoleer. Very often, people who troll our boards KNOW they're trolling a board and don't deny it. One of my very own guild members had to holo-master ID last week and spent about three days trolling the ID forum, which drove me up the wall. However, for them to come in and call us "gay" is nothing more than a stereotype and, yes, an insult. If they don't like the profession that's fine, but they can express that in a less hostile and less - dare I say it - RUDE manner than they have been in the past. And if you had taken the time to go through these forums more thoroughly and read some of the awful things the holocron-ID's have posted, you'd understand a little better why we feel the way we do about this.
I don't object to people mastering ID because a holocron told them to. I object to them coming into this forum and informing everyone that they're only doing it because they have to and they'd rather cut all their limbs off than be a *shudder* image designer. If I tried going into a respected profession forum, such as doctor, and said the same thing, I'd get my rump chewed. So for you to suggest we are rude to be insulted by this kind of behavior is a rash, impulsive, uninformed opinion. I am very, very tired of entertainers being dumped on simply because we are entertainers.
Next time, think and research a bit before you post.
I for one do not think that those of us who are proud of our profession are rude, just disgusted. Not a flame or anything just an observation I have had since reading alot of holocronners jumping in and say things like "this is a gay profession but I gotta learn it to be jedi and then I can drop it for something good"
or variations of that statement.
I train all people in ID some are really great about it and some just say Hey Elka train me now! I don't need points at all. I refuse to use an exploit because that's just me. Some out there use it, but their thinking is different from and I have learn a valuable lesson in that in reading this forum.
I guess it's only fair to agree to disagree and just go on with everything.
Elka
Several issues,,
1. Please submit any and all posts to TH or anyone elseyou can think of,,they simply dont have us on the radar,,,so good or bad,,,at least we might get some attention.
2. You dont need to have a new thread or even a new forum,,just go straight to the Jedi forum,,everything you need to macro any profession can be found there.
3. What you percieve as rudeness is actually passionate frustration. The entire image profession is unique among gameworlds, In no other game can post -creation changes be made to the extent that can be accomplished in swg. Since launch, there has really been no meaningful additions of skill,,or additional capablities and try as we might we just dont have the priority. We havethe hair color bug,,that is most annoying and yet for weeks and weeks it hasnt been fixed. We havent asked for that much and in return we havent gotten even what we asked for. After you have been Master ID for 3-4 months and attempting to make your credits from the skill, please come back and post your thoughts. I am quite sure you will view this forum somewhat differently.
4. There is no doubt that this forum has differing opinions and no doubt that at times the argument has been heated, but in the final analysis, we do all agree on one significant point. ID is a wonderfulconcept that has not yet lived up to its full potential.
5. In regard to macroing , bending the rules and all the other short cuts some like to take, its their business and up to them how they play the game,,its up to SWG to stop the exploiting, the afk gaining,,the macroing and the short cuts that diminish the game. The problem is the prisoners have over run the prison,,and it will be quite a bit before SWG can regain control. Meanwhile, dont expect a warm welcome when you access our boards and suggest we support those same short cuts ,,fast gain methods that have a continual draining effect on the profession as a whole. For further evidence of such afk and macroing and how damaging it is just waltz into any cantina and observe the changes in atmosphere in today's SWG compared to what it was in the first month prior to all the macroing and afking,,,or were you not around at launch and dont know what you missed?
6. Why on earth would anyone need axp points,,,as a master..
And with that said ,,welcome to Image Designing,,if you intend to retain your id skill,,if not,,you are only a blip on the screen,,
"If I tried going into a respected profession forum, such as doctor, and said the same thing, I'd get my rump chewed"
You know, I actually have had about ten of my friends who play this game look at this forumand they all pretty much agree. If you know this forum is not respected, perhaps others are not always the issue? I know that they instigate the situtation, however by saying "So for you to suggest we are rude to be insulted by this kind of behavior is a rash, impulsive, uninformed opinion" pretty much, IMHO, demonstates the fact that there is a problem on both sides. As I said before, if it really is people coming on here and insulting you, just ask a csr to close it, I am sure they would likely do so.
I knew I was going to get flamed for this due to the nature of my argument. All I am really trying to say is that if it is so bad, then just ignore it, obviously they are just looking to make you upset.
Jaela,
I am unsure what you are saying here (trying to respond to people and I don't want to ignore you):
1. Please submit any and all posts to TH or anyone elseyou can think of,,they simply dont have us on the radar,,,so good or bad,,,at least we might get some attention.
2. You dont need to have a new thread or even a new forum,,just go straight to the Jedi forum,,everything you need to macro any profession can be found there.
Perhaps for ID's when you max on Axp, it could be converted to something else (FP or some other useful item). Honestly, what does ANY master need with Axp?
What I meant was that any communication channel you might be able to open up with any SWG employee would likely be of help to ID"ers. Even if it was a complaint about our forum or how you were treated. The simple truth is that ID is not becoming more common. And the primary reason is not only are our services in low demand, the allocation of points to ID effectively reduces the skill points that might be used for other activities.
The entire entertainment profession is dwindling and its not being fixed by developers, He who screams loudest gets attention,,we dont have many screaming.
Holocron huntersthat have mastered just about every profession post regularly in the Jedi forum,,,what I was saying ,,if you want to ask experts on macros and afking,,the Jedi forum is the place to find them. I for one (not to brag or complain) have only used simple one command macros, and honestly dont make an attempt to try remember or learn how to make a macro string or even how to do ID exploits. The Jedi forum attracts a certain type of play style,,and those of us who arent planning on surrendering dont regularly read the Jedi forum.
If you plan to master another skill,,stockpiling axp is a good idea, if you arent ,,why would a master need more?
I think what you dont quite understand is a lot of ID'ers dont plan on ever surrendering the skill and likely are masters in another skill they wont surrender either, And are sort of out of the loop regarding holocron and jedi issues. What SWG is doing is using holocrons and Jedi to stall the player base while they desparately try to fix the bugs, redesign combat and skill trees, add vehicles,cities and mounts, and are hoping that lack content isnt so obvious while they concentrate on fixing the game. Thats the reason for holocrons in the first place,,the developers had to drop a hint so players could open their force slot, it wasnt because they suddenly thought of something that would be more fun for us to do,,,they needed to have Jedi in the game for marketing purposes,,just like they want mounts, cities and vehicles,,
Sukimikimaka wrote:
"If I tried going into a respected profession forum, such as doctor, and said the same thing, I'd get my rump chewed"
You know, I actually have had about ten of my friends who play this game look at this forumand they all pretty much agree. If you know this forum is not respected, perhaps others are not always the issue? I know that they instigate the situtation, however by saying "So for you to suggest we are rude to be insulted by this kind of behavior is a rash, impulsive, uninformed opinion" pretty much, IMHO, demonstates the fact that there is a problem on both sides. As I said before, if it really is people coming on here and insulting you, just ask a csr to close it, I am sure they would likely do so.
I knew I was going to get flamed for this due to the nature of my argument. All I am really trying to say is that if it is so bad, then just ignore it, obviously they are just looking to make you upset.
Admittedly, there are some who post regularly here who are less than kind to ANY sort of holocron ID, which in my opinion is harsh and unnecessary. However, it's hard not to be a little jaded when you constantly have to wade through the "This profession sucks" posts to get to the real stuff.
As for you being flamed, that's what happens when you wade in here without doing any sort of research or reading any past posts and accuse us all of being rude. Yes, I was upset with your post, because it wasn't based on any sort of fact - just hearsay and a few various posts taken out of context.
What is your main profession? I'll be sure to visit your forum and make a post about how useless it is and see how everyone likes it. THAT is what we have a problem with. And we get it ALL the time.
This is really funny! You know, before the whole holo thing people used to come in here & say that the ID'ers here were the friendliest & mosthelpful buch of all, including the dev's! Look what this whole holo thing is doing to the game. It's pretty sad.
If holo grinders want to get ID & drop it right away, more power to them! I give out the macros & tips on how to do it as quickly as possible. A lot of us don't have problems with that at all. It's good app points for those of us who are bankingthem for our own profession grinds.
I don't understand why existing ID'ers would complain so much about someone doing it for an FS slot anyway. Just because someone can master it easier doesn't make themany goodat it. ID is a profession that requires more than the master box to be the best. You actually have to know what your doing to make money at it. Someone who just grinded it to get the profession doesn't have the skills in it to get the 500K tips & the mile long list of customers that I have had. Besides, for the most part they are on a mission & will be dropping it for another profession soon anyway. They're not really going to be taking any business away from you. They actually may generate business by screw-ups during practice, or from the tips from getting trained.
But, I also don't understand why non-ID'ers would come in here & badmouth our profession at the same time they're asking our advice on how to master it. We're not useless! Although, I do see our value shrinking as there are really not any new players coming into the gameanymore & because most people will eventually settle on the "one look" they like the best for their character. But this is not the fault if the ID'ers. Lord knows for the longest time we've been trying to get the dev's to make us have a function in the game besides fixing peoples screw-upsat character creation. So yeah, we may not fit into the SWG storyline like some other professions do, but don't bitch to us about that. Take it up with SOE like we do.