Image Designer Archive
Thread: Clearing up the confusion.
The frustrations with the correspondents programis related but really a separate issue from what we're talking about here....
If you've truly read throuth the posts in this forum, you will see that it has been others (not the correspondent) in the ID community who have kept this board going andhave madeit a place to come for getting questions answered, thoughts and wishes for the profession shared; as well as guides submitted somewhere else because of non-sticky power. None of this awesome info could be stickied by them and for who knows what reason was never stickied by the correspondent! And that's the issue here--communication with, feedback from and representation of the community's ideas.
Apparently, the sad thing is the people in this profession do NOT have the right to select another correspondent otherwise therewould have hada new one already! 
I've been reading this thread trying to keep my personal opinion out as I didn't really know the situation.
I have to say though that from what I can see Rilawyn is completely ignoring the fact that a massive majority of people want her to step down.
You say2 image designers are standing next to you.. out of how many?In a voting scenario those 2 people wouldn't do you a whole lot of good.
People are unhappy with you, you BLATANTLY state that it is only your stubbornness keeping you here NOT your concern or love for the people or the profession.
Sorry but I am with the rest and I agree totally that you are not someone I want representing me.
You represent nobody here but yourself and your own ego by desperately clinging to a title you no more deserve than I do.
Breigh wrote:
I have to say though that from what I can see Rilawyn is completely ignoring the fact that a massive majority of people want her to step down.
You say2 image designers are standing next to you.. out of how many?In a voting scenario those 2 people wouldn't do you a whole lot of good.
People are unhappy with you, you BLATANTLY state that it is only your stubbornness keeping you here NOT your concern or love for the people or the profession.
Sorry but I am with the rest and I agree totally that you are not someone I want representing me.
You represent nobody here but yourself and your own ego by desperately clinging to a title you no more deserve than I do.
I could not agree with you more, I would have liked to have seen rilawyn bow out gracefully when she knew months ago she did not care nor was able to devote any time to us until we began to notice a lack of a correspondant here. Then we began asking where she was, and some even wondering who our correspondant here was.I do not care to know the reasons in which she was absent, thats none of my business. But she should have passed the torch at that time.
I have noticed that on all most all of rilawyn's posts she has no higher then 2 stars. Stars do help the rest of us to know the feelings on this even from the lurkers. If more image designers here wanted rilawyn to stay and "weather the flames" i think her rating would be higher then 1 and 2 stars. Just my thoughts on this whole thing.
I'd rather hear that from 'the prospects'. Personally, I'd be more than willing to have a correspondent I have confidence in go through a 'ramp up' period.
Rilawyn wrote:
8. Pretend we have the right to choose who represents us, and tell us why you should be our correspondent?
Because replacing me with a new correspondant right now would actually cause much more confusion with both sides, and get less results from the developers right now. Putting a new correspondant in my position would require a complete repost of the State of the Professions thread, and all of my current contacts for bug-fixes would have to be turned over to the new correspondant as well.
There is one bug fix that I am actually working WITH developers on right now, tracking information, and trying to find out the mechanics on it. Putting someone new in that position right now, would completely confuse either that new correspondant, or the developers, on what was going on. The new correspondant may not even have an idea which bug we're trying to fix.
They wouldn't know where the profession stood with the developers. And now, worst of all, they would have some EXTREMELY high expectations coming from the community itself. At this point, a new correspondant would have to clear up the mess I've created (and which I still admit to), as well as handling the information going back and forth (or lack there of), and have to do a better job than I ever did - even in the beginning when I first signed up for this position, and was excited about it more than anything.
So until some things are wrapped up, or cleared up, I know many of the prospects wouldn't even WANT to be in this position. So, until I can clean up my own mess, I will stick with the job, and weather the issues that come along with it.
We might as well give up, folks... it's obvious that we're not going to get a correspondent worth her salt anytime soon. I'm sorry Rilawyn, but I agree with the previous posters, I do not want you representing me or my profession. Period. I can't even understand why it's so desperately important to you that you keep this position when it's clear to me (and probably everyone else as well) that even if you do actually attempt to do the job you agreed to, no one is going to give you the time of day anyway. I have to agree, this is a case of "too little, too late." You're offering too little, and it's WAY too late.
You say that leaving the position now would only create a bigger problem. I'm sorry, once moreI have to disagree. There are others on this board who could step in and make the correspondent position what it's supposed to be. They've been doing your job all this time, anyway.
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I'd like to thank you for answering Kwee's questions to you. Mind you, I'm not saying that I'm satisfied with the responses, but at least you made an attempt to justify your position.
I would like to comment on one of your responses in particular. I'm sure it was just a typographical error on your part (at least I'm sure that will be the reasoning for it), but I also suspect it may indicate a certain truth in how you view your role as the "correspondent" for this profession.
Kwee's question:
3. You say your position requires that you represent both SOE and the community, what is your vision of a correspondent's role?
Simply put - to take down information about what the correspondants want, and bugs that need to be fixed, and submit them to the developers for review. And then, to pass information to the community that the developers give in response to those issues.
Please read that first sentence again. Does it strike anyone else as a bit flawed?I would imagine that the correspondent's role would be... Simply put- to take down information about what the "Community" wants... not necessarily what the correspondent wants. The correspondent's wants should carry no more weight than any other member of the community. The correspondent is there to represent the community to the developers, and in turn inform the community of any developments that has been cleared for public viewing. Not to represent themselves and show off their nifty titles. The community is not here for the correspondent, the correspondent is supposed to be here for the community.
And to me that pretty much sums up what all this mess is about in this profession forum. The current correspondent doesn't really care about what the community wants. She simply wants what she wants and the rest of the community should just be quiet and accept it. We should all be like those two anonymous ID'ers and back her 100% because... well, just because.
I applaud those who will not just sit quietly and let this... (I can't really think a word that suitably describes the mess that Rilawyn has created here. At least not one that is suitable for public viewing) I'll just say "situation", slowly fade away into obscurity. Granted it may be falling on deaf ears for now, but hopefully at some point in time Thunderhart will pull his head out of the sand and actually read some of his Private Messages and this forum. When he finally does that, perhaps he will do the right thing. We can only hope. Meanwhile I hope that all of you continue to speak your mind.
For the time being, I will accept Rilawyn's assertion that she has Thunderhart's support. Not because I trust her, she has shown herself time and again to not deserve my trust, but because I do not believe she would have the gaul to actually use his name if he hadn't. I can only assume that he gave that support out of ignorance of a situation in which I'm sure he gets most, if not all of his information from Rilawyn herself. If only he would actually read and respond to any of the threads in this forum, I might have a inkling of whether he has any clue as to what is going on and who and what it is that he is supporting.
What have you been requesting for months?
I appreciate you taking the time to answer those, I know I can be long winded. To answer your questions. What has been requested for months is that valuable ID information be stickied to the top of the forum. Thingsthat have come up in the past includethe roll call thread (which you have done, thank you), ID websites, FAQ, top five issues, a bug list, a wish list...
Why should the roll call thread be reworked?
You recently said something to the effect that you might revamp the roll call thread so that is what I was referring to. At one pointa newer thread was started called "Introductions" as many of the "Roll Call" thread ID'ers are no longer in the ID business. I assumed you were thinking of starting a new thread or compiling a list of which ID's were on which server.
As for the FAQ, that thread was butchered the instant I posted it. Should I sticky threads with flames?
When you posted the FAQ thread you said you were very tired and were going off to bed but would be posting some FAQ of your own the next day. I of course understand why it would be difficult to continue with that project given that every thread ended up as a discussion of our correspondent issue.
I definitely think starting this thread was awise decision. If discussion was spreading to other threads I think it was mainly because you had not stated your case in your own thread.
Don't waste your breath Kwee,
Rilawyn is pathetic, selfish, and too pig-headed to swallow her pride and let somone passionate about the professionn have a chance at fixing what she botched. I knew Rilawyn in Beta, and at the time she was one of teh better image designers. I was a dancer, and I will admit it was Rilawyn that made me choose to be a ID at launch.
However, Rilawyn, you changed. Changed greatly. I no longer see that Master Image Designer who changed my hair in beta. The one I idolized. The person I see now I am ashamed to have ever been influenced by long ago. Sad...If you truely have passion for the profession, then please, save face and step down. I would feel better about myself if I can respect you once again.
I do not post frequently on these boards, but I do read them. I only post when there is something new to say or add. Which is why I would not make the best correspondant, which is why I never ran for the position. I know a correspondant must at least post something tangible each and every day. Does it mean I do not feel passionately about the profession because I do not post say as much as Kwee? Not at all, it just means I am not suited to correspond a community. A correspondant should post something new every day...Even if it is a "nothing new on the horizon thread." Something. You neglected to even inform us if nothing was going on. I would come to these boards every day to see if you posted something anything... nothing.
I sure hope Thunderheart reads this and takes action. The community I love is crumbling because of yoru neglect, Rilawyn. If you want to gain our love and trust, please...show us you care, step down in stride and help contribute to the community with a new correspondant in your place. I know I would if I were in your shoes 6 months ago when you were a Image Designer...
Moonlilly, unfortunately, your posts are turning from constructive criticism, into personal attacks against me.
I did not send anyone in from my PA. I do not have any second accounts or characters that I have used to communicate here. The comments about "anyone with a pulse" was taken very offensively, as well.
Once again, I have spoken with Thunderheart, and he has said that he will stand behind me on this. So for the time being, I will still be the correspondant. Having said that, my ultimate wish right now, is to stop focusing on the past, and to get on with what needs to be done. We need OUR profession fixed, and enhanced, and that's what I'm going to do.
1. You say you are stubborn when you know what's right. Explain why it is right to force your representation on a community that has unanimously asked you to resign?
They did not unanimously ask me to resign. I've actually spoken with two Image Designers that are sticking by me, here.
2. Your post's title is "Clearing up the confusion". What confusion are you clearing up?
Several posts kept popping up inthe other threads stating that I had been "ignoring the issue at hand". So this thread was started for the sole purpose of addressing the issue at hand.
3. You say your position requires that you represent both SOE and the community, what is your vision of a correspondent's role?
Simply put - to take down information about what the correspondants want, and bugs that need to be fixed, and submit them to the developers for review. And then, to pass information to the community that the developers give in response to those issues.
4. You say you don't want to "freely" give the position up because you know you can be more active. We have still not seen you sticky the things we have been requesting for months. We have seen no sign ofthe rework of the Roll Call thread or the FAQ list you said you would be posting... How do you plan to be active, and when?
What have you been requesting for months? Why should the roll call thread be reworked? As for the FAQ, that thread was butchered the instant I posted it. Should I sticky threads with flames?
5. You say you know you can be what the Image Designers want. I agree Rilawyn, you could have been what we wanted. Do you feel given the feelings being expressed in this thread that you can makethis community trust you again?
One-by-one, if I have to. Yes.
6. If you are feeling like you want to spend less time here, why are you staying?
Because I'm stubborn, as mentioned before.
7. Do you feel that possessing Image Design skills on an inactive character qualified you to be the Image Designer correspondent?
Tygress isn't inactive. I still play her at least once a day. Although it may only be 2-3 hours now, instead of 8-10. So I would say yes, I still qualify.
8. Pretend we have the right to choose who represents us, and tell us why you should be our correspondent?
Because replacing me with a new correspondant right now would actually cause much more confusion with both sides, and get less results from the developers right now. Putting a new correspondant in my position would require a complete repost of the State of the Professions thread, and all of my current contacts for bug-fixes would have to be turned over to the new correspondant as well.
There is one bug fix that I am actually working WITH developers on right now, tracking information, and trying to find out the mechanics on it. Putting someone new in that position right now, would completely confuse either that new correspondant, or the developers, on what was going on. The new correspondant may not even have an idea which bug we're trying to fix.
They wouldn't know where the profession stood with the developers. And now, worst of all, they would have some EXTREMELY high expectations coming from the community itself. At this point, a new correspondant would have to clear up the mess I've created (and which I still admit to), as well as handling the information going back and forth (or lack there of), and have to do a better job than I ever did - even in the beginning when I first signed up for this position, and was excited about it more than anything.
So until some things are wrapped up, or cleared up, I know many of the prospects wouldn't even WANT to be in this position. So, until I can clean up my own mess, I will stick with the job, and weather the issues that come along with it.